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Differential equation for function involving hyperbolic Sine

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Anupamsage gravatar image

Let y(z)=2sinh1(z/(2a)1/2)(z2+2a)1/2

where sinh(z) is the sine hyperbolic function.

K(z):=1z(y(z)y(z))1/2az2+1/6z290a+z4378a223z628350a3+263z8935550a4133787z101277025750a5+157009z123831077250a616215071z14976924698750a7+2689453969z16389792954801250a8+O(z18)

How can I find the linear differential equation in z with coefficent in the polynomial ring C[z] that annihilates K(z). I am unable to do it by hand I think some software in sagemath might help.

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In your definition :

K(z):=1z(y(z)y(z))

I can't make sense of the denominator, where z is simultaneously a function and a dependent variable... unleess you have meant :

K(z):=1(y(z)y(z))z

Please clarify !

Emmanuel Charpentier gravatar imageEmmanuel Charpentier ( 3 years ago )

BTW...

Is that homework ?

Emmanuel Charpentier gravatar imageEmmanuel Charpentier ( 3 years ago )

Isn't y(z) an odd function with y(z)y(z)=2y(z)?

Max Alekseyev gravatar imageMax Alekseyev ( 3 years ago )

Yes I have meant what you wrote. No it's homework question, it's part of a question I ask in last post, which I cannot solve. So I trying to break it in parts and analyse.

Anupamsage gravatar imageAnupamsage ( 3 years ago )

The last post https://ask.sagemath.org/question/623... I realise that if there is a recursion in the coefficient of K(z) that might help me to solve my question.

Anupamsage gravatar imageAnupamsage ( 3 years ago )

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answered 2 years ago

Max Alekseyev gravatar image

updated 2 years ago

Are you sure K(z) satisfies a linear ODE? Below I derive an ODE but it's not linear.

Let us first rewrite and simplify K(z): K(z)=z2+2a2z(2log(z+z2+2a)log(2a)). It is important to notice that expressions for K(z) and its derivatives are rational functions in z, u:=log(2a)2log(z+z2+2a) and v:=z2+2a. We will need to eliminate the latter two. To so, we will compute K(n)(z) for n=0,1,2 and turn them into polynomial equations in z, K(n)(z), and u,v and then eliminate u,v from these polynomials.

R = PolynomialRing(QQ,6,names='K0,K1,K2,z,u,v')
k = R.gens()[:3]
Z,u,v = R.gens()[3:]

z,a = var('z a')
K = sqrt(z^2+2*a)/(z*(4*log(z+sqrt(z^2+2*a))-2*log(2*a)))

pol = []
for i in (0..2):
    S = str(K.diff(z,i)).replace('log(2*a) - 2*log(z + sqrt(z^2 + 2*a))','u').replace('sqrt(z^2 + 2*a)','v').replace('(z^2 + 2*a)^(3/2)','v^3')
    #print(i,S)
    pol.append( numerator( sage_eval(S,locals={'z':Z,'u':u,'v':v}) - k[i] ) )

p2 = [pol[0].subresultants(e,u)[0] for e in pol[1:]]     # eliminating u
r = p2[0].subresultants(p2[1],v)[0]                          # eliminating v
print( factor(r) )

As a result it prints:

(-1/65536) * v * K0^3 * (4*K0 - 1)^3 * z^17 * (-8*K0*K1^2*z^2 + 4*K0^2*K2*z^2 - 8*K0^2*K1*z - K1^2*z^2 - K0*K2*z^2 - 8*K0^3 - 3*K0*K1*z)^2

Ignoring linear factors (which correspond to extraneous solutions), we get that K(z) satisfies the following ODE: 8z2KK2+4z2K2K which is not linear however.

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Thanks a lot, I guess it should ODE not linear ODE.

Anupamsage gravatar imageAnupamsage ( 2 years ago )

I am bit confused about your claim that derivative of K(z) is rational? I am having the log at the denominator.

Anupamsage gravatar imageAnupamsage ( 2 years ago )

I said it is rational in z, u, and v that I defined. After replacing logs and roots with u's and v's as explained (see also how it's done in the code), you'll get a rational function.

Max Alekseyev gravatar imageMax Alekseyev ( 2 years ago )

I see thank. you.

Anupamsage gravatar imageAnupamsage ( 2 years ago )

Also one thing to notice is that it never involves any a in the coefficient of the ode.

Anupamsage gravatar imageAnupamsage ( 2 years ago )

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