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How to determine the coefficients of a polynomial when they depend on variables?

asked 2014-07-14 05:58:46 +0200

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updated 2014-07-14 06:03:20 +0200

Suppose that EXP2 is a polynomial expression in the variables X_1,X_2,...,X_n with coefficients that depend on the variables B_1,B_2,...,B_m. Suppose EXP1 is an expression equal to EXP2, but scrambled.

Given EXP1, how can I automatically obtain EXP2?

For example, if I have







how can I automatically rewrite a as a polynomial in b and c, so that I get an equation that looks like


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I'm not sure how to display the asterisks as literal asterisks...

Zorgoth gravatar imageZorgoth ( 2014-07-14 06:02:42 +0200 )edit

To display code inline, put it in between backquotes. To display blocks of code, indent code by 4 spaces.

slelievre gravatar imageslelievre ( 2014-07-14 07:15:11 +0200 )edit

Thank you!

Zorgoth gravatar imageZorgoth ( 2014-07-15 18:22:54 +0200 )edit

Try it: you can edit your question and make it look nicer!

slelievre gravatar imageslelievre ( 2014-07-15 18:24:36 +0200 )edit

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answered 2014-07-14 07:24:50 +0200

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updated 2014-07-14 08:01:26 +0200

The best way to work with variables b_i and x_i as you want is to define multivariate polynomial rings Rb and Rx and inject variables. Then any polynomial expression in the b_i's and x_i's will be transformed as a polynomial in the x_i's with coefficients in polynomials in the b_i's.

sage: Rb = PolynomialRing(ZZ,10,name='b')
sage: Rx = PolynomialRing(Rb,10,name='x')

sage: Rb.inject_variables()
Defining b0, b1, b2, b3, b4, b5, b6, b7, b8, b9
sage: Rx.inject_variables()
Defining x0, x1, x2, x3, x4, x5, x6, x7, x8, x9

sage: b1 * (x2 + x3) + b2 * (x3 + x8)
b1*x2 + (b1 + b2)*x3 + b2*x8

For your baby example, you could work in the symbolic ring and just ask coefficients,

sage: var('b c d e')
(b, c, d, e)
sage: a = b*d^2+c*e^2+e*(b+2*c*d)
sage: a
b*d^2 + c*e^2 + (2*c*d + b)*e
sage: a.coefficient(b)
d^2 + e
sage: a.coefficient(c)
2*d*e + e^2

or you could mix the two in the following way.

sage: S.<d,e> = PolynomialRing(QQ)
sage: R.<b,c> = PolynomialRing(S)
sage: R
Multivariate Polynomial Ring in b, c over Multivariate Polynomial Ring in d, e over Rational Field
sage: var('b c d e')
(b, c, d, e)
sage: a = b*d^2+c*e^2+e*(b+2*c*d)
sage: a
b*d^2 + c*e^2 + (2*c*d + b)*e
sage: R(a)
(d^2 + e)*b + (2*d*e + e^2)*c

But as a rule, it is best to avoid the symbolic ring altogether, whenever possible. And the way your main question is formulated, the most sensible approach is the polynomial rings one.

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Thank you very much! This answer provides a good solution both to my general question and a simple solution to my specific problem (since in my case I'm really just dealing with a scalar linear function of one set of variables with coefficients depending on another set of variables).

Zorgoth gravatar imageZorgoth ( 2014-07-15 18:25:12 +0200 )edit

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