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Note: I have NOT studied cyclotomic fields.

I believe the problem lies in minpoly() function. It has been reported that minpoly sometimes doesn not return an irreducible polynomial. Also, if you check where f belongs, you will see that it is not in $\mathbb{Q}(\xi)_5$ !.

sage: K.<b>=CyclotomicField(5);
sage: alpha=1+3*b^2;
sage: f=(1+3*b^2).minpoly()
sage: f.parent()
Univariate Polynomial Ring in x over Rational Field
sage: factor(f)
x^4 - x^3 + 6*x^2 + 14*x + 61
sage: G.<x> = K[] #Define a polynomial ring over K
sage: f = G(f) #Coerce f into G
sage: f.parent()
Univariate Polynomial Ring in x over Cyclotomic Field of order 5 and degree 4
sage: factor(f)
(x - 3*b - 1) * (x - 3*b^2 - 1) * (x - 3*b^3 - 1) * (x + 3*b^3 + 3*b^2 + 3*b + 2)
sage: f.is_irreducible()
False


Note: I have NOT studied cyclotomic fields.

I believe the problem lies in minpoly() function. It has been reported reported that minpoly sometimes doesn not return an irreducible polynomial. Also, if you check where f belongs, you will see that it is not in $\mathbb{Q}(\xi)_5$ !.

sage: K.<b>=CyclotomicField(5);
sage: alpha=1+3*b^2;
sage: f=(1+3*b^2).minpoly()
sage: f.parent()
Univariate Polynomial Ring in x over Rational Field
sage: factor(f)
x^4 - x^3 + 6*x^2 + 14*x + 61
sage: G.<x> = K[] #Define a polynomial ring over K
sage: f = G(f) #Coerce f into G
sage: f.parent()
Univariate Polynomial Ring in x over Cyclotomic Field of order 5 and degree 4
sage: factor(f)
(x - 3*b - 1) * (x - 3*b^2 - 1) * (x - 3*b^3 - 1) * (x + 3*b^3 + 3*b^2 + 3*b + 2)
sage: f.is_irreducible()
False


Note: I have NOT studied cyclotomic fields.

I believe the problem lies in minpoly() function. It has been reported that minpoly sometimes doesn not return an irreducible polynomial. Also, if you check where f belongs, you will see that it is not in $\mathbb{Q}(\xi)_5$ $\mathbb{Q}(\xi)_5[x]$ !.

sage: K.<b>=CyclotomicField(5);
sage: alpha=1+3*b^2;
sage: f=(1+3*b^2).minpoly()
sage: f.parent()
Univariate Polynomial Ring in x over Rational Field
sage: factor(f)
x^4 - x^3 + 6*x^2 + 14*x + 61
sage: G.<x> = K[] #Define a polynomial ring over K
sage: f = G(f) #Coerce f into G
sage: f.parent()
Univariate Polynomial Ring in x over Cyclotomic Field of order 5 and degree 4
sage: factor(f)
(x - 3*b - 1) * (x - 3*b^2 - 1) * (x - 3*b^3 - 1) * (x + 3*b^3 + 3*b^2 + 3*b + 2)
sage: f.is_irreducible()
False


Note: I have NOT studied cyclotomic fields.

I believe the problem lies in minpoly() function. It has been reported that minpoly sometimes doesn not return an irreducible polynomial. Also, if you check where f belongs, you will see that it is not in $\mathbb{Q}(\xi)_5[x]$ !.

sage: K.<b>=CyclotomicField(5);
sage: alpha=1+3*b^2;
sage: f=(1+3*b^2).minpoly()
sage: f.parent()
Univariate Polynomial Ring in x over Rational Field
sage: factor(f)
x^4 - x^3 + 6*x^2 + 14*x + 61
sage: G.<x> = K[] #Define a polynomial ring over K
sage: f = G(f) #Coerce f into G
sage: f.parent()
Univariate Polynomial Ring in x over Cyclotomic Field of order 5 and degree 4
sage: factor(f)
(x - 3*b - 1) * (x - 3*b^2 - 1) * (x - 3*b^3 - 1) * (x + 3*b^3 + 3*b^2 + 3*b + 2)
sage: f.is_irreducible()
False


Update: Could you please elaborate which you would like to append it to $\mathbb{Q}(\xi)_5$? It seems to me that $\alpha$ is already in $\mathbb{Q}(\xi)_5$ but $\sqrt[5]{\alpha}$ is not. If you use fractional expontiation or the function nth_root in minpoly, it will gives you an error. I am afraid that you have to hardcode the equation manually $x^5 - \alpha$,

sage: alpha in K
True
sage: alpha^(1/5) in K
False
sage: L.<a> = K.extension(x^5 - alpha)
sage: L
Number Field in a with defining polynomial x^5 - 3*b^2 - 1 over its base field


After playing a bit with algebra,

Note: I have NOT studied cyclotomic fields.

I believe the problem lies in minpoly() function. It has been reported that minpoly sometimes doesn not return an irreducible polynomial. Also, if you check where f belongs, you will see that it is not in $\mathbb{Q}(\xi)_5[x]$ !.

sage: K.<b>=CyclotomicField(5);
sage: alpha=1+3*b^2;
sage: f=(1+3*b^2).minpoly()
sage: f.parent()
Univariate Polynomial Ring in x over Rational Field
sage: factor(f)
x^4 - x^3 + 6*x^2 + 14*x + 61
sage: G.<x> = K[] #Define a polynomial ring over K
sage: f = G(f) #Coerce f into G
sage: f.parent()
Univariate Polynomial Ring in x over Cyclotomic Field of order 5 and degree 4
sage: factor(f)
(x - 3*b - 1) * (x - 3*b^2 - 1) * (x - 3*b^3 - 1) * (x + 3*b^3 + 3*b^2 + 3*b + 2)
sage: f.is_irreducible()
False


Update: Update: Could you please elaborate which you element would you like to append it to $\mathbb{Q}(\xi)_5$? It seems to me that $\alpha$ is already in $\mathbb{Q}(\xi)_5$ but $\sqrt[5]{\alpha}$ is not. If you use fractional expontiation or the function nth_root in minpoly, it will gives you an error. I am afraid that you have to hardcode the equation manually $x^5 - \alpha$,

sage: alpha in K
True
sage: alpha^(1/5) in K
False
sage: L.<a> = K.extension(x^5 - alpha)
sage: L
Number Field in a with defining polynomial x^5 - 3*b^2 - 1 over its base field


After playing a bit with algebra,

Note: I have NOT studied cyclotomic fields.

I believe the problem lies in minpoly() function. It has been reported that minpoly sometimes doesn not return an irreducible polynomial. Also, if you check where f belongs, you will see that it is not in $\mathbb{Q}(\xi)_5[x]$ !.

sage: K.<b>=CyclotomicField(5);
sage: alpha=1+3*b^2;
sage: f=(1+3*b^2).minpoly()
sage: f.parent()
Univariate Polynomial Ring in x over Rational Field
sage: factor(f)
x^4 - x^3 + 6*x^2 + 14*x + 61
sage: G.<x> = K[] #Define a polynomial ring over K
sage: f = G(f) #Coerce f into G
sage: f.parent()
Univariate Polynomial Ring in x over Cyclotomic Field of order 5 and degree 4
sage: factor(f)
(x - 3*b - 1) * (x - 3*b^2 - 1) * (x - 3*b^3 - 1) * (x + 3*b^3 + 3*b^2 + 3*b + 2)
sage: f.is_irreducible()
False


Update: Could you please elaborate which element would you like to append it to $\mathbb{Q}(\xi)_5$? It seems to me that $\alpha$ is already in $\mathbb{Q}(\xi)_5$ but $\sqrt[5]{\alpha}$ is not. If you use fractional expontiation or the function nth_root in minpoly, it will gives you an error. I am afraid that you have to hardcode the equation manually $x^5 - \alpha$,\alpha$(As far as I know) sage: alpha in K True sage: alpha^(1/5) in K False sage: L.<a> = K.extension(x^5 - alpha) sage: L Number Field in a with defining polynomial x^5 - 3*b^2 - 1 over its base field  After playing a bit with algebra, Note: I have NOT studied cyclotomic fields. I believe the problem lies in minpoly() function. It has been reported that minpoly sometimes doesn not return an irreducible polynomial. polynomial. Also, if you check where f belongs, you will see that it is not in$\mathbb{Q}(\xi)_5[x]$!. sage: K.<b>=CyclotomicField(5); sage: alpha=1+3*b^2; sage: f=(1+3*b^2).minpoly() sage: f.parent() Univariate Polynomial Ring in x over Rational Field sage: factor(f) x^4 - x^3 + 6*x^2 + 14*x + 61 sage: G.<x> = K[] #Define a polynomial ring over K sage: f = G(f) #Coerce f into G sage: f.parent() Univariate Polynomial Ring in x over Cyclotomic Field of order 5 and degree 4 sage: factor(f) (x - 3*b - 1) * (x - 3*b^2 - 1) * (x - 3*b^3 - 1) * (x + 3*b^3 + 3*b^2 + 3*b + 2) sage: f.is_irreducible() False  Update: Could you please elaborate which element would you like to append it to$\mathbb{Q}(\xi)_5$? It seems to me that$\alpha$is already in$\mathbb{Q}(\xi)_5$but$\sqrt[5]{\alpha}$is not. If you use fractional expontiation or the function nth_root in minpoly, it will gives you an error. I am afraid that you have to hardcode the equation$x^5 - \alpha$(As far as I know)\alpha$

sage: alpha in K
True
sage: alpha^(1/5) in K
False
sage: L.<a> = K.extension(x^5 - alpha)
sage: L
Number Field in a with defining polynomial x^5 - 3*b^2 - 1 over its base field


After playing

Second update

If you use fractional exponentiation or the function nth_root in minpoly, it will gives you an error.

It seems an issue need to be solved.

by the way, what f = G(f) means?

$f$ was living in $\mathbb{Q}$,i.e. arithmetic on $f$ would be carry over $\mathbb{Q}$, writing f = G(f) tells sage $f$ is an element of $G$

Example:

sage: a bit with algebra,  = 7
sage: a^2
49


But,

sage: R = IntegerModRing(13)
sage: a = R(a)
sage: a
7
sage: a^2
10
sage: a + 6
0


Note: I have NOT studied cyclotomic fields.

I believe the problem lies in minpoly() function. It has been reported that minpoly sometimes doesn not return an irreducible polynomial.

Also, if you check where f belongs, you will see that it is not in $\mathbb{Q}(\xi)_5[x]$ !.

sage: K.<b>=CyclotomicField(5);
sage: alpha=1+3*b^2;
sage: f=(1+3*b^2).minpoly()
sage: f.parent()
Univariate Polynomial Ring in x over Rational Field
sage: factor(f)
x^4 - x^3 + 6*x^2 + 14*x + 61
sage: G.<x> = K[] #Define a polynomial ring over K
sage: f = G(f) #Coerce f into G
sage: f.parent()
Univariate Polynomial Ring in x over Cyclotomic Field of order 5 and degree 4
sage: factor(f)
(x - 3*b - 1) * (x - 3*b^2 - 1) * (x - 3*b^3 - 1) * (x + 3*b^3 + 3*b^2 + 3*b + 2)
sage: f.is_irreducible()
False


Update: Could you please elaborate which element would you like to append it to $\mathbb{Q}(\xi)_5$? It seems to me that $\alpha$ is already in $\mathbb{Q}(\xi)_5$ but $\sqrt[5]{\alpha}$ is not. If you use fractional expontiation or the function nth_root in minpoly, it will gives you an error. I am afraid that you have to hardcode the equation $x^5 - \alpha$

sage: alpha in K
True
sage: alpha^(1/5) in K
False
sage: L.<a> = K.extension(x^5 - alpha)
sage: L
Number Field in a with defining polynomial x^5 - 3*b^2 - 1 over its base field


Second update

If you use fractional exponentiation or the function nth_root in minpoly, it will gives you an error.

It seems an issue need to be solved.

by the way, what f = G(f) means?

$f$ was living in $\mathbb{Q}$,i.e. arithmetic on $f$ would be carry over $\mathbb{Q}$, writing f = G(f) tells sage $f$ is an element of $G$

Example:

sage: a = 7
sage: a^2
49


But,

sage: R = IntegerModRing(13)
sage: a = R(a)
sage: a
7
sage: a^2
10
sage: a + 6
0