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Note: I have NOT studied cyclotomic fields.

I believe the problem lies in minpoly() function. It has been reported that minpoly sometimes doesn not return an irreducible polynomial. Also, if you check where f belongs, you will see that it is not in Q(ξ)5 !.

sage: K.<b>=CyclotomicField(5);
sage: alpha=1+3*b^2;
sage: f=(1+3*b^2).minpoly()
sage: f.parent()
Univariate Polynomial Ring in x over Rational Field
sage: factor(f)
x^4 - x^3 + 6*x^2 + 14*x + 61
sage: G.<x> = K[] #Define a polynomial ring over K
sage: f = G(f) #Coerce f into G
sage: f.parent()
Univariate Polynomial Ring in x over Cyclotomic Field of order 5 and degree 4
sage: factor(f)
(x - 3*b - 1) * (x - 3*b^2 - 1) * (x - 3*b^3 - 1) * (x + 3*b^3 + 3*b^2 + 3*b + 2)
sage: f.is_irreducible()
False
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Note: I have NOT studied cyclotomic fields.

I believe the problem lies in minpoly() function. It has been reported reported that minpoly sometimes doesn not return an irreducible polynomial. Also, if you check where f belongs, you will see that it is not in Q(ξ)5 !.

sage: K.<b>=CyclotomicField(5);
sage: alpha=1+3*b^2;
sage: f=(1+3*b^2).minpoly()
sage: f.parent()
Univariate Polynomial Ring in x over Rational Field
sage: factor(f)
x^4 - x^3 + 6*x^2 + 14*x + 61
sage: G.<x> = K[] #Define a polynomial ring over K
sage: f = G(f) #Coerce f into G
sage: f.parent()
Univariate Polynomial Ring in x over Cyclotomic Field of order 5 and degree 4
sage: factor(f)
(x - 3*b - 1) * (x - 3*b^2 - 1) * (x - 3*b^3 - 1) * (x + 3*b^3 + 3*b^2 + 3*b + 2)
sage: f.is_irreducible()
False
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Note: I have NOT studied cyclotomic fields.

I believe the problem lies in minpoly() function. It has been reported that minpoly sometimes doesn not return an irreducible polynomial. Also, if you check where f belongs, you will see that it is not in Q(ξ)5 Q(ξ)5[x] !.

sage: K.<b>=CyclotomicField(5);
sage: alpha=1+3*b^2;
sage: f=(1+3*b^2).minpoly()
sage: f.parent()
Univariate Polynomial Ring in x over Rational Field
sage: factor(f)
x^4 - x^3 + 6*x^2 + 14*x + 61
sage: G.<x> = K[] #Define a polynomial ring over K
sage: f = G(f) #Coerce f into G
sage: f.parent()
Univariate Polynomial Ring in x over Cyclotomic Field of order 5 and degree 4
sage: factor(f)
(x - 3*b - 1) * (x - 3*b^2 - 1) * (x - 3*b^3 - 1) * (x + 3*b^3 + 3*b^2 + 3*b + 2)
sage: f.is_irreducible()
False
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Note: I have NOT studied cyclotomic fields.

I believe the problem lies in minpoly() function. It has been reported that minpoly sometimes doesn not return an irreducible polynomial. Also, if you check where f belongs, you will see that it is not in Q(ξ)5[x] !.

sage: K.<b>=CyclotomicField(5);
sage: alpha=1+3*b^2;
sage: f=(1+3*b^2).minpoly()
sage: f.parent()
Univariate Polynomial Ring in x over Rational Field
sage: factor(f)
x^4 - x^3 + 6*x^2 + 14*x + 61
sage: G.<x> = K[] #Define a polynomial ring over K
sage: f = G(f) #Coerce f into G
sage: f.parent()
Univariate Polynomial Ring in x over Cyclotomic Field of order 5 and degree 4
sage: factor(f)
(x - 3*b - 1) * (x - 3*b^2 - 1) * (x - 3*b^3 - 1) * (x + 3*b^3 + 3*b^2 + 3*b + 2)
sage: f.is_irreducible()
False

Update: Could you please elaborate which you would like to append it to Q(ξ)5? It seems to me that α is already in Q(ξ)5 but 5α is not. If you use fractional expontiation or the function nth_root in minpoly, it will gives you an error. I am afraid that you have to hardcode the equation manually x5α,

sage: alpha in K
True
sage: alpha^(1/5) in K 
False
sage: L.<a> = K.extension(x^5 - alpha)
sage: L
Number Field in a with defining polynomial x^5 - 3*b^2 - 1 over its base field

After playing a bit with algebra,

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No.5 Revision

Note: I have NOT studied cyclotomic fields.

I believe the problem lies in minpoly() function. It has been reported that minpoly sometimes doesn not return an irreducible polynomial. Also, if you check where f belongs, you will see that it is not in Q(ξ)5[x] !.

sage: K.<b>=CyclotomicField(5);
sage: alpha=1+3*b^2;
sage: f=(1+3*b^2).minpoly()
sage: f.parent()
Univariate Polynomial Ring in x over Rational Field
sage: factor(f)
x^4 - x^3 + 6*x^2 + 14*x + 61
sage: G.<x> = K[] #Define a polynomial ring over K
sage: f = G(f) #Coerce f into G
sage: f.parent()
Univariate Polynomial Ring in x over Cyclotomic Field of order 5 and degree 4
sage: factor(f)
(x - 3*b - 1) * (x - 3*b^2 - 1) * (x - 3*b^3 - 1) * (x + 3*b^3 + 3*b^2 + 3*b + 2)
sage: f.is_irreducible()
False

Update: Update: Could you please elaborate which you element would you like to append it to Q(ξ)5? It seems to me that α is already in Q(ξ)5 but 5α is not. If you use fractional expontiation or the function nth_root in minpoly, it will gives you an error. I am afraid that you have to hardcode the equation manually x5α,

sage: alpha in K
True
sage: alpha^(1/5) in K 
False
sage: L.<a> = K.extension(x^5 - alpha)
sage: L
Number Field in a with defining polynomial x^5 - 3*b^2 - 1 over its base field

After playing a bit with algebra,

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No.6 Revision

Note: I have NOT studied cyclotomic fields.

I believe the problem lies in minpoly() function. It has been reported that minpoly sometimes doesn not return an irreducible polynomial. Also, if you check where f belongs, you will see that it is not in Q(ξ)5[x] !.

sage: K.<b>=CyclotomicField(5);
sage: alpha=1+3*b^2;
sage: f=(1+3*b^2).minpoly()
sage: f.parent()
Univariate Polynomial Ring in x over Rational Field
sage: factor(f)
x^4 - x^3 + 6*x^2 + 14*x + 61
sage: G.<x> = K[] #Define a polynomial ring over K
sage: f = G(f) #Coerce f into G
sage: f.parent()
Univariate Polynomial Ring in x over Cyclotomic Field of order 5 and degree 4
sage: factor(f)
(x - 3*b - 1) * (x - 3*b^2 - 1) * (x - 3*b^3 - 1) * (x + 3*b^3 + 3*b^2 + 3*b + 2)
sage: f.is_irreducible()
False

Update: Could you please elaborate which element would you like to append it to Q(ξ)5? It seems to me that α is already in Q(ξ)5 but 5α is not. If you use fractional expontiation or the function nth_root in minpoly, it will gives you an error. I am afraid that you have to hardcode the equation manually $x^5 - \alpha$,\alpha$ (As far as I know)

sage: alpha in K
True
sage: alpha^(1/5) in K 
False
sage: L.<a> = K.extension(x^5 - alpha)
sage: L
Number Field in a with defining polynomial x^5 - 3*b^2 - 1 over its base field

After playing a bit with algebra,

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Note: I have NOT studied cyclotomic fields.

I believe the problem lies in minpoly() function. It has been reported that minpoly sometimes doesn not return an irreducible polynomial. polynomial.

Also, if you check where f belongs, you will see that it is not in Q(ξ)5[x] !.

sage: K.<b>=CyclotomicField(5);
sage: alpha=1+3*b^2;
sage: f=(1+3*b^2).minpoly()
sage: f.parent()
Univariate Polynomial Ring in x over Rational Field
sage: factor(f)
x^4 - x^3 + 6*x^2 + 14*x + 61
sage: G.<x> = K[] #Define a polynomial ring over K
sage: f = G(f) #Coerce f into G
sage: f.parent()
Univariate Polynomial Ring in x over Cyclotomic Field of order 5 and degree 4
sage: factor(f)
(x - 3*b - 1) * (x - 3*b^2 - 1) * (x - 3*b^3 - 1) * (x + 3*b^3 + 3*b^2 + 3*b + 2)
sage: f.is_irreducible()
False

Update: Could you please elaborate which element would you like to append it to Q(ξ)5? It seems to me that α is already in Q(ξ)5 but 5α is not. If you use fractional expontiation or the function nth_root in minpoly, it will gives you an error. I am afraid that you have to hardcode the equation $x^5 - \alpha$ (As far as I know)\alpha$

sage: alpha in K
True
sage: alpha^(1/5) in K 
False
sage: L.<a> = K.extension(x^5 - alpha)
sage: L
Number Field in a with defining polynomial x^5 - 3*b^2 - 1 over its base field

After playing


Second update

If you use fractional exponentiation or the function nth_root in minpoly, it will gives you an error.

It seems an issue need to be solved.

by the way, what f = G(f) means?

f was living in Q,i.e. arithmetic on f would be carry over Q, writing f = G(f) tells sage f is an element of G

Example:

sage: a bit with algebra, 

= 7 sage: a^2 49

But,

sage: R = IntegerModRing(13)
sage: a = R(a)
sage: a
7
sage: a^2
10
sage: a + 6
0
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Note: I have NOT studied cyclotomic fields.

I believe the problem lies in minpoly() function. It has been reported that minpoly sometimes doesn not return an irreducible polynomial.

Also, if you check where f belongs, you will see that it is not in Q(ξ)5[x] !.

sage: K.<b>=CyclotomicField(5);
sage: alpha=1+3*b^2;
sage: f=(1+3*b^2).minpoly()
sage: f.parent()
Univariate Polynomial Ring in x over Rational Field
sage: factor(f)
x^4 - x^3 + 6*x^2 + 14*x + 61
sage: G.<x> = K[] #Define a polynomial ring over K
sage: f = G(f) #Coerce f into G
sage: f.parent()
Univariate Polynomial Ring in x over Cyclotomic Field of order 5 and degree 4
sage: factor(f)
(x - 3*b - 1) * (x - 3*b^2 - 1) * (x - 3*b^3 - 1) * (x + 3*b^3 + 3*b^2 + 3*b + 2)
sage: f.is_irreducible()
False

Update: Could you please elaborate which element would you like to append it to Q(ξ)5? It seems to me that α is already in Q(ξ)5 but 5α is not. If you use fractional expontiation or the function nth_root in minpoly, it will gives you an error. I am afraid that you have to hardcode the equation x5α

sage: alpha in K
True
sage: alpha^(1/5) in K 
False
sage: L.<a> = K.extension(x^5 - alpha)
sage: L
Number Field in a with defining polynomial x^5 - 3*b^2 - 1 over its base field

Second update

If you use fractional exponentiation or the function nth_root in minpoly, it will gives you an error.

It seems an issue need to be solved.

by the way, what f = G(f) means?

f was living in Q,i.e. arithmetic on f would be carry over Q, writing f = G(f) tells sage f is an element of G

Example:

sage: a = 7
sage: a^2
49

But,

sage: R = IntegerModRing(13)
sage: a = R(a)
sage: a
7
sage: a^2
10
sage: a + 6
0

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