 | 1 | initial version |
All right, still with these integration problems, and I don't know all the subtleties of passing extra-arguments to maxima (ok, I reckon that @kcrisman doesn't stop pointing maxima flags out now and then when some expert uses them).
What I want is to integrate a function with the domain of integration broken into pieces. The problem is that the maxima engine requires different assumptions for each piece but an assumption seems to tie a variable globally.
| | 2 | No.2 Revision |
All right, still with these integration problems, and I don't know all the subtleties of passing extra-arguments to maxima (ok, I reckon that @kcrisman doesn't stop pointing out maxima flags out now and then when some expert uses them).
What I want is to integrate a function with the domain of integration broken into pieces. The problem is that the maxima engine requires different assumptions for each piece but an assumption seems to tie a variable globally.
| | 3 | No.3 Revision |
All right, still with these integration problems, and I don't know all the subtleties of passing extra-arguments to maxima (ok, I reckon that @kcrisman doesn't stop pointing out maxima flags now and then when some expert uses them).them but some list would be very handy).
What I want is to integrate a function with the domain of integration broken into pieces. The problem is that the maxima engine requires different assumptions for each piece but an assumption seems to tie a variable globally.
| | 4 | Added an use case |
All right, still with these integration problems, and I don't know all the subtleties of passing extra-arguments to maxima (ok, I reckon that @kcrisman doesn't stop pointing out maxima flags now and then when some expert uses them but some list would be very handy).
What I want is to integrate a function with the domain of integration broken into pieces. The problem is that the maxima engine requires different assumptions for each piece but an assumption seems to tie a variable globally.
Example: In fact, this example is still related to the double integral thread over there. After a little but tedious pen and paper work, I could get rid of the absolute value by breaking the domain of integration into pieces but then I'm stuck again. Independently of my own shortcomings and maybe the hard nature of what I tried to compute, in my sense, the remaining problem causes are mainly twofold, we need to talk to Maxima (pass assumptions) and the assumption mechanisms in Sage are somehow weak.
This is what I tried to get around these shortcomings and to answer the above question:
# This could take extra-arguments for the integral function (algorithm, ...) but I don't know all of them, so let's leave this as is for now.
def integral_assumptions(f, var, lbound, ubound, extra_assumptions):
old_assumptions= assumptions() # Keep current assumptions for later restore
assume(extra_assumptions)
result = integral(f, var, lbound, ubound)
forget()
assume(old_assumptions) # Unfortunately, extra assumptions don't stay local
return result
Different problems arise: 1- If the integral call breaks (and this often occurs), the old_assumptions are not restored .. ok, this one should be easy and dealt with some exception handling but I don't know the Sage coding guideline here.
x,y,u,v,p,k,b=var('x,y,u,v,p,k,b') # It seems enough to just say var('x,y,u,v,p,k,b') but I'm not sure
n(x)=1/sqrt(2*pi) * exp(-1/2*x^2) # I would have loved to be able to get this directly from Maxima but okay, it was just a few keystrokes away.
# I need to split at -sqrt(k-1)*v
alpha_neg(v,k,p)=integral_assumptions((u)^p*(u+sqrt(k-1)*v)^p*n(v)*n(u), u, 0, -sqrt(k-1)*v, [k-1 > 0, v < 0])
integral(alpha_neg(v, k, p), v, -oo, 0) # Error
alpha_neg(v,k,2) # Still an error but just to make sure
2- One big problem is the way Sage handles assumptions: they are global and (but maybe that feature is because of the fact that ...) they can't be made more stringent. Namely assume(x>=0); assume(x>0) doesn't yield x>0. It would have also been handy to be hable to say forget(x>0) and it would give back x>=0 and have a forget_about(x) function which forgets everything about x ..
Another bonus feature would have been the possibility of attaching a set of assumptions to an expression/functin/whatnot. In fact I started with:
inner_neg(v, k, p, i_lo, i_hi)=integral_assumptions((u)^p*(u+sqrt(k-1)*v)^p*n(v)*n(u), u, i_lo, i_hi, v < 0)
g(v,k)=inner_neg(v, k, 1, 0, oo) # -sqrt(k-1)*v) # Ok with oo
If I instead ask with -sqrt(k-1)*v, Maxima again complains about v
To be clear, I'm not against global assumptions but I just want some way to enforce extra assumptions locally.
| | 5 | No.5 Revision |
All right, still with these integration problems, and I don't know all the subtleties of passing extra-arguments to maxima (ok, I reckon that @kcrisman doesn't stop pointing out maxima flags now and then when some expert uses them but some list would be very handy).
What I want is to integrate a function with the domain of integration broken into pieces. The problem is that the maxima engine requires different assumptions for each piece but an assumption seems to tie a variable globally.
Example: In fact, this example is still related to the double integral thread over there. After a little but tedious pen and paper work, I could get rid of the absolute value by breaking the domain of integration into pieces but then I'm stuck again. Independently of my own shortcomings and maybe the hard nature of what I tried to compute, in my sense, the remaining problem causes are mainly twofold, we need to talk to Maxima (pass assumptions) and the assumption mechanisms in Sage are somehow weak.
This is what I tried to get around these shortcomings and to answer the above question:
# This could take extra-arguments for the integral function (algorithm, ...) but I don't know all of them, so let's leave this as is for now.
def integral_assumptions(f, var, lbound, ubound, extra_assumptions):
old_assumptions= assumptions() # Keep current assumptions for later restore
assume(extra_assumptions)
result = integral(f, var, lbound, ubound)
forget()
assume(old_assumptions) # Unfortunately, extra assumptions don't stay local
return result
Different problems arise:
arise:
1- If the integral call breaks (and this often occurs), the old_assumptions are not restored .. ok, this one should be easy and dealt with some exception handling but I don't know the Sage coding guideline here.
x,y,u,v,p,k,b=var('x,y,u,v,p,k,b') # It seems enough to just say var('x,y,u,v,p,k,b') but I'm not sure
n(x)=1/sqrt(2*pi) * exp(-1/2*x^2) # I would have loved to be able to get this directly from Maxima but okay, it was just a few keystrokes away.
# I need to split at -sqrt(k-1)*v
alpha_neg(v,k,p)=integral_assumptions((u)^p*(u+sqrt(k-1)*v)^p*n(v)*n(u), u, 0, -sqrt(k-1)*v, [k-1 > 0, v < 0])
integral(alpha_neg(v, k, p), v, -oo, 0) # Error
alpha_neg(v,k,2) # Still an error but just to make sure
2- One big problem is the way Sage handles assumptions: they are global and (but maybe that feature is because of the fact that ...) they can't be made more stringent. Namely assume(x>=0); assume(x>0) doesn't yield x>0. It would have also been handy to be hable to say forget(x>0) and it would give back x>=0 and have a forget_about(x) function which forgets everything about x ..
Another bonus feature would have been the possibility of attaching a set of assumptions to an expression/functin/whatnot. In fact I started with:
inner_neg(v, k, p, i_lo, i_hi)=integral_assumptions((u)^p*(u+sqrt(k-1)*v)^p*n(v)*n(u), u, i_lo, i_hi, v < 0)
g(v,k)=inner_neg(v, k, 1, 0, oo) # -sqrt(k-1)*v) # Ok with oo
If I instead ask with -sqrt(k-1)*v, Maxima again complains about v
To be clear, I'm not against global assumptions but I just want some way to enforce extra assumptions locally.
| | 6 | No.6 Revision |
All right, still with these integration problems, and I don't know all the subtleties of passing extra-arguments to maxima (ok, I reckon that @kcrisman doesn't stop pointing out maxima flags now and then when some expert uses them but some list would be very handy).
What I want is to integrate a function with the domain of integration broken into pieces. The problem is that the maxima engine requires different assumptions for each piece but an assumption seems to tie a variable globally.
Example: In fact, this example is still related to the double integral thread over there. After a little but tedious pen and paper work, I could get rid of the absolute value by breaking the domain of integration into pieces but then I'm stuck again. Independently of my own shortcomings and maybe the hard nature of what I tried to compute, in my sense, the remaining problem causes are mainly twofold, we need to talk to Maxima (pass assumptions) and the assumption mechanisms in Sage are somehow weak.
This is what I tried to get around these shortcomings and to answer the above question:
# This could take extra-arguments for the integral function (algorithm, ...) but I don't know all of them, so let's leave this as is for now.
def integral_assumptions(f, var, lbound, ubound, extra_assumptions):
old_assumptions= assumptions() # Keep current assumptions for later restore
assume(extra_assumptions)
result = integral(f, var, lbound, ubound)
forget()
assume(old_assumptions) # Unfortunately, extra assumptions don't stay local
return result
Different problems arise:
1- If the integral call breaks (and this often occurs), the old_assumptions are not restored .. ok, this one should be easy and dealt with some exception handling but I don't know the Sage coding guideline here.
x,y,u,v,p,k,b=var('x,y,u,v,p,k,b') # It seems enough to just say var('x,y,u,v,p,k,b') but I'm not sure
n(x)=1/sqrt(2*pi) * exp(-1/2*x^2) # I would have loved to be able to get this directly from Maxima but okay, it was just a few keystrokes away.
# I need to split at -sqrt(k-1)*v
alpha_neg(v,k,p)=integral_assumptions((u)^p*(u+sqrt(k-1)*v)^p*n(v)*n(u), u, 0, -sqrt(k-1)*v, [k-1 > 0, v < 0])
integral(alpha_neg(v, k, p), v, -oo, 0) # Error
alpha_neg(v,k,2) # Still an error but just to make sure
find the culprit
2- One big problem is the way Sage handles assumptions: they are global and (but maybe that feature is because of the fact that ...) they can't be made more stringent. Namely assume(x>=0); assume(x>0) doesn't yield x>0. It would have also been handy to be hable to say forget(x>0) and it would give back x>=0 and have a forget_about(x) function which forgets everything about x ..
Another bonus feature would have been the possibility of attaching a set of assumptions to an expression/functin/whatnot. In fact I started with:
inner_neg(v, k, p, i_lo, i_hi)=integral_assumptions((u)^p*(u+sqrt(k-1)*v)^p*n(v)*n(u), u, i_lo, i_hi, v < 0)
g(v,k)=inner_neg(v, k, 1, 0, oo) # -sqrt(k-1)*v) # Ok with oo
If I instead ask with -sqrt(k-1)*v, Maxima again complains about v
To be clear, I'm not against global assumptions but I just want some way to enforce extra assumptions locally.
| | 7 | No.7 Revision |
All right, still with these integration problems, and I don't know all the subtleties of passing extra-arguments to maxima (ok, I reckon that @kcrisman doesn't stop pointing out maxima flags now and then when some expert uses them but some list would be very handy).
What I want is to integrate a function with the domain of integration broken into pieces. The problem is that the maxima engine requires different assumptions for each piece but an assumption seems to tie a variable globally.
Example: In fact, this example is still related to the double integral thread over there. After a little but tedious pen and paper work, I could get rid of the absolute value by breaking the domain of integration into pieces but then I'm stuck again. Independently of my own shortcomings and maybe the hard nature of what I tried to compute, in my sense, the remaining problem causes are mainly twofold, we need to talk to Maxima (pass assumptions) and the assumption mechanisms in Sage are somehow weak.
This is what I tried to get around these shortcomings and to answer the above question:
# This could take extra-arguments for the integral function (algorithm, ...) but I don't know all of them, so let's leave this as is for now.
def integral_assumptions(f, var, lbound, ubound, extra_assumptions):
old_assumptions= assumptions() # Keep current assumptions for later restore
assume(extra_assumptions)
result = integral(f, var, lbound, ubound)
forget()
assume(old_assumptions) # Unfortunately, extra assumptions don't stay local
return result
Different problems arise:
1- If the integral call breaks (and this often occurs), the old_assumptions are not restored .. ok, this one should be easy and dealt with some exception handling but I don't know the Sage coding guideline here.
x,y,u,v,p,k,b=var('x,y,u,v,p,k,b') # It seems enough to just say var('x,y,u,v,p,k,b') but I'm not sure
n(x)=1/sqrt(2*pi) * exp(-1/2*x^2) # I would have loved to be able to get this directly from Maxima but okay, it was just a few keystrokes away.
# I need to split at -sqrt(k-1)*v
alpha_neg(v,k,p)=integral_assumptions((u)^p*(u+sqrt(k-1)*v)^p*n(v)*n(u), u, 0, -sqrt(k-1)*v, [k-1 > 0, v < 0])
integral(alpha_neg(v, k, p), v, -oo, 0) # Error
alpha_neg(v,k,2) # Still an error but just to find the culprit
2- One big problem is the way Sage handles assumptions: they are global and (but maybe that feature is because of the fact that ...) they can't be made more stringent. Namely assume(x>=0); assume(x>0) doesn't yield x>0. It would have also been handy to be hable to say forget(x>0) and it would give back x>=0 and have a forget_about(x) function which forgets everything about x ..
To be clear, I'm not against global assumptions but I just want some way to enforce extra assumptions locally.
3- Another bonus feature would have been the possibility of attaching a set of assumptions to an expression/functin/whatnot. In fact I started with:
inner_neg(v, k, p, i_lo, i_hi)=integral_assumptions((u)^p*(u+sqrt(k-1)*v)^p*n(v)*n(u), u, i_lo, i_hi, v < 0)
g(v,k)=inner_neg(v, k, 1, 0, oo) # -sqrt(k-1)*v) # Ok with oo
If I instead ask with -sqrt(k-1)*v, Maxima again complains about v
To be clear, I'm not against global assumptions but I just want some way to enforce extra assumptions locally.v
| | 8 | No.8 Revision |
All right, still with these integration problems, and I don't know all the subtleties of passing extra-arguments to maxima (ok, I reckon that @kcrisman doesn't stop pointing out maxima flags now and then when some expert uses them but some list would be very handy).
What I want is to integrate a function with the domain of integration broken into pieces. The problem is that the maxima engine requires different assumptions for each piece but an assumption seems to tie a variable globally.
Example: In fact, this example is still related to the double integral thread over there. After a little but tedious pen and paper work, I could get rid of the absolute value by breaking the domain of integration into pieces but then I'm stuck again. Independently of my own shortcomings and maybe the hard nature of what I tried to compute, in my sense, the remaining problem causes are mainly twofold, we need to talk to Maxima (pass assumptions) and the assumption mechanisms in Sage are somehow weak.
This is what I tried to get around these shortcomings and to answer the above question:
# This could take extra-arguments for the integral function (algorithm, ...) but I don't know all of them, so let's leave this as is for now.
def integral_assumptions(f, var, lbound, ubound, extra_assumptions):
old_assumptions= assumptions() # Keep current assumptions for later restore
assume(extra_assumptions)
result = integral(f, var, lbound, ubound)
forget()
assume(old_assumptions) # Unfortunately, extra assumptions don't stay local
return result
Different problems arise:
1- If the integral call breaks (and this often occurs), the old_assumptions are not restored .. ok, this one should be easy and dealt with some exception handling but I don't know the Sage coding guideline here.
x,y,u,v,p,k,b=var('x,y,u,v,p,k,b') # It seems enough to just say var('x,y,u,v,p,k,b') but I'm not sure
n(x)=1/sqrt(2*pi) * exp(-1/2*x^2) # I would have loved to be able to get this directly from Maxima but okay, it was just a few keystrokes away.
# I need to split at -sqrt(k-1)*v
alpha_neg(v,k,p)=integral_assumptions((u)^p*(u+sqrt(k-1)*v)^p*n(v)*n(u), u, 0, -sqrt(k-1)*v, [k-1 > 0, v < 0])
integral(alpha_neg(v, k, p), v, -oo, 0) # Error
alpha_neg(v,k,2) # Still an error but just to find the culprit
2- One big problem is the way Sage handles assumptions: they are global and (but maybe that feature is because of the fact that ...) they can't be made more stringent. Namely assume(x>=0); assume(x>0) doesn't yield x>0. It would have also been handy to be hable to say forget(x>0) and it would give back x>=0 and have a forget_about(x) function which forgets everything about x ..
To be clear, I'm not against global assumptions but I just want some way to enforce extra assumptions locally.
3- Another bonus feature would have been the possibility of attaching a set of assumptions to an expression/functin/whatnot. In fact I started with:
#inner_neg as we're on the part where v<0.
inner_neg(v, k, p, i_lo, i_hi)=integral_assumptions((u)^p*(u+sqrt(k-1)*v)^p*n(v)*n(u), u, i_lo, i_hi, v < 0)
g(v,k)=inner_neg(v, k, 1, 0, oo) # -sqrt(k-1)*v) # Ok with oo
If I instead ask with -sqrt(k-1)*v, Maxima again complains about v
| | 9 | No.9 Revision |
All right, still with these integration problems, and I don't know all the subtleties of passing extra-arguments to maxima Maxima (ok, I reckon that @kcrisman doesn't stop pointing out maxima Maxima flags now and then when some expert uses them but some list would be very handy).
What I want is to integrate a function with the domain of integration broken into pieces. The problem is that the maxima engine requires different assumptions for each piece but an assumption seems to tie a variable globally.
Example: In fact, this example is still related to the double integral thread over there. After a little but tedious pen and paper work, I could get rid of the absolute value by breaking the domain of integration into pieces but then I'm stuck again. Independently of my own shortcomings and maybe the hard nature of what I tried to compute, in my sense, the remaining problem causes are mainly twofold, we need to talk to Maxima (pass assumptions) and the assumption mechanisms in Sage are somehow weak.
This is what I tried to get around these shortcomings and to answer the above question:
# This could take extra-arguments for the integral function (algorithm, ...) but I don't know all of them, so let's leave this as is for now.
def integral_assumptions(f, var, lbound, ubound, extra_assumptions):
old_assumptions= assumptions() # Keep current assumptions for later restore
assume(extra_assumptions)
result = integral(f, var, lbound, ubound)
forget()
assume(old_assumptions) # Unfortunately, extra assumptions don't stay local
return result
Different problems arise:
1- If the integral call breaks (and this often occurs), the old_assumptions are not restored .. ok, this one should be easy and dealt with some exception handling but I don't know the Sage coding guideline here.
x,y,u,v,p,k,b=var('x,y,u,v,p,k,b') # It seems enough to just say var('x,y,u,v,p,k,b') but I'm not sure
n(x)=1/sqrt(2*pi) * exp(-1/2*x^2) # I would have loved to be able to get this directly from Maxima but okay, it was just a few keystrokes away.
# I need to split at -sqrt(k-1)*v
alpha_neg(v,k,p)=integral_assumptions((u)^p*(u+sqrt(k-1)*v)^p*n(v)*n(u), u, 0, -sqrt(k-1)*v, [k-1 > 0, v < 0])
integral(alpha_neg(v, k, p), v, -oo, 0) # Error
alpha_neg(v,k,2) # Still an error but just to find the culprit
2- One big problem is the way Sage handles assumptions: they are global and (but maybe that feature is because of the fact that ...) they can't be made more stringent. Namely assume(x>=0); assume(x>0) doesn't yield x>0. It would have also been handy to be hable able to say forget(x>0) and it would give back x>=0 and have a forget_about(x) function which forgets everything about x ..
To be clear, I'm not against global assumptions but I just want some way to enforce extra assumptions locally.
3- Another bonus feature would have been the possibility of attaching a set of assumptions to an expression/functin/whatnot. expression/function/whatnot. In fact I started with:
#inner_neg as we're on the part where v<0.
inner_neg(v, k, p, i_lo, i_hi)=integral_assumptions((u)^p*(u+sqrt(k-1)*v)^p*n(v)*n(u), u, i_lo, i_hi, v < 0)
g(v,k)=inner_neg(v, k, 1, 0, oo) # -sqrt(k-1)*v) # Ok with oo
If I instead ask with -sqrt(k-1)*v, Maxima again complains about v
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