Ask Your Question

How to find instances where $d(a,b) = p^2$ for $p$ a prime

asked 2013-05-23 14:12:39 +0200

JoshIzzard gravatar image

Suppose I have a dimension formula (for a Lie algebra representation) given by $\mathrm{dim}_{a,b} = {(a+1)(b+1)(a+b+2) \over 2}$. I now would like to find pairs $(a,b)$ where $\dim_{a,b} = p^2$ for $p$ a prime? What are some techniques for accomplishing this? Should I first filter out a list of primes using isprime and then check possible pairs $(a,b)$ for each prime $p < N$, say $1000$.

edit retag flag offensive close merge delete


Are you sure there are any such pairs to find? Unless I'm missing something, you can't fit $2p^2$ into $(a+1) (b+1) (a+b+2)$ successfully.

DSM gravatar imageDSM ( 2013-05-23 14:56:36 +0200 )edit

Ah @DSM this may indeed be the case. Now I suppose I would like to find points where $d(a,b) = n$ for $n \in \mathbb{N}$. Does Sage have a toolkit that allows me to extract integral points on the surface $F(a,b,n) = d(a,b) - n = 0$?

JoshIzzard gravatar imageJoshIzzard ( 2013-05-23 15:57:44 +0200 )edit

2 Answers

Sort by ยป oldest newest most voted

answered 2013-05-23 17:12:39 +0200

tmonteil gravatar image

updated 2013-05-24 06:51:30 +0200

I am not sure i understand your question correctly. If you want to iterate over the pairs of integers, you can have a look at multidimensional enumeration:

sage: f = lambda a,b : (a+1)*(b+1)*(a+b+2)
sage: n = 720

sage: for a,b in xmrange([n,n]):
sage:     if f(a,b) == 2*n:
sage:         print a,b      
7 9
9 7

And actually you can be more restrictive and ask a and b to be less than floor(sqrt(2*n)) (instead of n):

sage: bound = floor(sqrt(2*n))
sage: for a,b in xmrange([bound,bound]):
sage:     if f(a,b) == 2*n:
sage:         print a,b      
7 9
9 7

Hence, you get all answers in time $O(n)$ instead of $O(n^2)$. But why not solving directly your equation ? Unfortunately, it seems that the solver is not able to solve the diophantine equation f(a,b) == 2*n directly:

sage: var('a','b')
(a, b)
sage: solve([f(a,b) == 2*n ], a, b)
([a == -1/2*(4*b + sqrt(b^4 + 4*b^3 + 6*b^2 + 5764*b + 5761) + b^2 + 3)/(b + 1), a == -1/2*(4*b - sqrt(b^4 + 4*b^3 + 6*b^2 + 5764*b + 5761) + b^2 + 3)/(b + 1)],
 [1, 1])

But you can still use Sage solver when a is fixed:

sage: var('b')
sage: assume(b, 'integer')
sage: assume(b >= 0)

sage: for a in xrange(bound):
sage:     sol = solve([f(a,b) == 2*n],b)
sage:     if len(sol) != 0:
sage:         print a, sol[0].rhs()
7 9
9 7

Now, you get an answer in time $O(\sqrt{n})$, which is not completely satisfactory (one could expect a polynomial in $\log(n)$), but not that bad.

That said, since the solver is quite slow, the multiplicative constant in the complexity is quite huge and the previous method is faster for small n (this is clear for n=6216 : 42.7ms vs 1.11s). The last method becomes faster only later (this is clear for n=3065451 : 94.43s vs 29.77s).

edit flag offensive delete link more


@tmontneil Thank you for taking the time to write out this detailed solution. You have given me an idea as to how to move forward with this for more detailed dimension formulae. Eventually I hope to write an algorithm that checks for dimension equal to $p^2$ for the type $D_{2k+1}$ Lie algebras as well, but that dimension formula is quite a bit more complicated (if you are interested in the subject see Fulton and Harris p. 410 exercise 24.42). Thanks again for your help. Regards

JoshIzzard gravatar imageJoshIzzard ( 2013-05-29 16:11:40 +0200 )edit

answered 2013-05-24 18:20:57 +0200

vdelecroix gravatar image

updated 2013-05-25 10:33:28 +0200

Just to improve tmonteil answer you can use simple nested loops to enumerate solutions with the same "complexity" using the fact that your function d(a,b) is increasing in both variables:

N = 2*n
a = floor(sqrt(N-1))
b = 0
while a != -1:
    while (a+1)*(b+1)*(a+b+2) < N:
        b += 1
    if (a+1)*(b+1)*(a+b+2) == N:
        print a,b
        b -= 1
    a -= 1

and then, computing the solution for N=2*3065451 runs in 8.33 ms which looks like a thousand times better !

And I am pretty sure that it is possible to do something more clever than increasing/decreasing by units in my function above...

edit flag offensive delete link more


@vdelecroix thanks very much, this is quite impressive

JoshIzzard gravatar imageJoshIzzard ( 2013-05-29 15:58:53 +0200 )edit

Your Answer

Please start posting anonymously - your entry will be published after you log in or create a new account.

Add Answer

Question Tools


Asked: 2013-05-23 14:12:39 +0200

Seen: 455 times

Last updated: May 25 '13