ASKSAGE: Sage Q&A Forum - RSS feedhttps://ask.sagemath.org/questions/Q&A Forum for SageenCopyright Sage, 2010. Some rights reserved under creative commons license.Sat, 28 Aug 2010 07:21:39 +0200why is symbolic comparison so slow?https://ask.sagemath.org/question/7642/why-is-symbolic-comparison-so-slow/I tried to write a little differentiatior:
from operator import add, mul, pow
def mydiff(s,x=x):
if x not in SR(s).variables():
return 0
elif s == x:
return 1
elif s == log(x):
return 1/x
elif s == sin(x):
return cos(x)
elif s == cos(x):
return -sin(x)
elif s == tan(x):
return 1+tan(x)^2
elif s == arcsin(x):
return 1/sqrt(1-x^2)
elif s == arctan(x):
return 1/(1+x^2)
op = s.operator()
ops = s.operands()
if op == pow and ops[0]==x and ops[1]._is_numeric():
return ops[1]*ops[0]^(ops[1]-1)
elif op == add:
return mydiff(ops[0]) + mydiff(reduce(op,ops[1:]))
elif op == mul:
f = ops[0]; g = reduce(mul,ops[1:])
return g*mydiff(f) + f*mydiff(g)
elif len(ops)==1:
return mydiff(ops[0],x)*mydiff(op(x),x).subs(x=ops[0]))
one my one year old macbook i need to wait more than 17 second to get the following answer
%time mydiff(sum(k*x^k,k,0,10))
CPU times: user 12.39 s, sys: 0.78 s, total: 13.17 s
Wall time: 17.49 s
100*x^9 + 81*x^8 + 64*x^7 + 49*x^6 + 36*x^5 + 25*x^4 + 16*x^3 + 9*x^2 + 4*x + 1
why does it _that_ long?Thu, 26 Aug 2010 20:55:27 +0200https://ask.sagemath.org/question/7642/why-is-symbolic-comparison-so-slow/Answer by Philipp Schneider for <p>I tried to write a little differentiatior:</p>
<pre><code>from operator import add, mul, pow
def mydiff(s,x=x):
if x not in SR(s).variables():
return 0
elif s == x:
return 1
elif s == log(x):
return 1/x
elif s == sin(x):
return cos(x)
elif s == cos(x):
return -sin(x)
elif s == tan(x):
return 1+tan(x)^2
elif s == arcsin(x):
return 1/sqrt(1-x^2)
elif s == arctan(x):
return 1/(1+x^2)
op = s.operator()
ops = s.operands()
if op == pow and ops[0]==x and ops[1]._is_numeric():
return ops[1]*ops[0]^(ops[1]-1)
elif op == add:
return mydiff(ops[0]) + mydiff(reduce(op,ops[1:]))
elif op == mul:
f = ops[0]; g = reduce(mul,ops[1:])
return g*mydiff(f) + f*mydiff(g)
elif len(ops)==1:
return mydiff(ops[0],x)*mydiff(op(x),x).subs(x=ops[0]))
</code></pre>
<p>one my one year old macbook i need to wait more than 17 second to get the following answer</p>
<pre><code>%time mydiff(sum(k*x^k,k,0,10))
CPU times: user 12.39 s, sys: 0.78 s, total: 13.17 s
Wall time: 17.49 s
100*x^9 + 81*x^8 + 64*x^7 + 49*x^6 + 36*x^5 + 25*x^4 + 16*x^3 + 9*x^2 + 4*x + 1
</code></pre>
<p>why does it _that_ long?</p>
https://ask.sagemath.org/question/7642/why-is-symbolic-comparison-so-slow/?answer=11568#post-id-11568the problem is neither Python, nor recursion, but Sage expressions. If I replace those with lists and strings the computation time drops to 0:
def mydiff(s,x='x'):
if not x in str(s):
return 0
if s == x:
return 1
elif s == ['log',x]:
return ['pow',x,-1]
elif s == ['sin',x]:
return ['cos',x]
elif s == ['cos',x]:
return ['mul',-1,['sin',x]]
elif s == ['tan',x]:
return ['add',1,['pow',['tan',x],2]]
elif s == ['arcsin',x]:
return ['pow',['add',1,['mul',-1,['pow',x,2]]],-1/2]
elif s == ['arctan',x]:
return ['pow',['add',1,['pow',x,2]],-1]
op = s[0]
ops = s[1:]
if op == 'pow' and ops[0]==x and ops[1] in Rationals():
return ['mul',ops[1],['pow',ops[0],(ops[1]-1)]]
elif op == 'add':
return ['sum',map(mydiff,ops)]
elif op == 'mul':
if len(ops) == 2:
if ops[0] in Rationals():
return ['mul',ops[0],mydiff(ops[1])]
else:
f = ops[0]; g = ops[1]
return ['add',['mul',g,mydiff(f)],['mul',f,mydiff(g)]]
Now:
sage: var('k')
sage: s = ['add']+[['mul',k,['pow','x',k]] for k in [1..10]]
sage: %time mydiff(s)
CPU times: user 0.00 s, sys: 0.00 s, total: 0.00 s
Wall time: 0.00 s
['sum', [['mul', 1, ['mul', 1, ['pow', 'x', 0]]], ['mul', 2, ['mul', 2, ['pow', 'x', 1]]], ['mul', 3, ['mul', 3, ['pow', 'x', 2]]], ['mul', 4, ['mul', 4, ['pow', 'x', 3]]], ['mul', 5, ['mul', 5, ['pow', 'x', 4]]], ['mul', 6, ['mul', 6, ['pow', 'x', 5]]], ['mul', 7, ['mul', 7, ['pow', 'x', 6]]], ['mul', 8, ['mul', 8, ['pow', 'x', 7]]], ['mul', 9, ['mul', 9, ['pow', 'x', 8]]], ['mul', 10, ['mul', 10, ['pow', 'x', 9]]]]]Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:38:40 +0200https://ask.sagemath.org/question/7642/why-is-symbolic-comparison-so-slow/?answer=11568#post-id-11568Answer by nbruin for <p>I tried to write a little differentiatior:</p>
<pre><code>from operator import add, mul, pow
def mydiff(s,x=x):
if x not in SR(s).variables():
return 0
elif s == x:
return 1
elif s == log(x):
return 1/x
elif s == sin(x):
return cos(x)
elif s == cos(x):
return -sin(x)
elif s == tan(x):
return 1+tan(x)^2
elif s == arcsin(x):
return 1/sqrt(1-x^2)
elif s == arctan(x):
return 1/(1+x^2)
op = s.operator()
ops = s.operands()
if op == pow and ops[0]==x and ops[1]._is_numeric():
return ops[1]*ops[0]^(ops[1]-1)
elif op == add:
return mydiff(ops[0]) + mydiff(reduce(op,ops[1:]))
elif op == mul:
f = ops[0]; g = reduce(mul,ops[1:])
return g*mydiff(f) + f*mydiff(g)
elif len(ops)==1:
return mydiff(ops[0],x)*mydiff(op(x),x).subs(x=ops[0]))
</code></pre>
<p>one my one year old macbook i need to wait more than 17 second to get the following answer</p>
<pre><code>%time mydiff(sum(k*x^k,k,0,10))
CPU times: user 12.39 s, sys: 0.78 s, total: 13.17 s
Wall time: 17.49 s
100*x^9 + 81*x^8 + 64*x^7 + 49*x^6 + 36*x^5 + 25*x^4 + 16*x^3 + 9*x^2 + 4*x + 1
</code></pre>
<p>why does it _that_ long?</p>
https://ask.sagemath.org/question/7642/why-is-symbolic-comparison-so-slow/?answer=11569#post-id-11569One obvious thing is that the wall time is considerably longer than the cpu-time. That can mean your process didn't get 100% of the CPU time or that Sage called out to a different process (maxima?) to get some results. Indeed, if you run:
import cProfile
S=sum(k*x^k,k,0,10)
cProfile.run("mydiff(S)")
you'll find 4995 calls to
maxima.py:722(_eval_line)
indicating that there were 4995 calls to another process. There are also various calls to various "simplify" routines, so either in construction or in comparison of symbolic expressions, Sage did feel the need to simplify things.
**In short**: If you want to do pattern matching on symbolic expressions, do *not* use "==". It is apparently already reserved for a fairly expensive equality test.
I am surprised that this program still triggers calls out to maxima. I don't think it's "reduce", since that only receives 18 calls and takes negligible time in the profile.
All the other operations, including "==" should really map to straight pynac operations.
Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:39:05 +0200https://ask.sagemath.org/question/7642/why-is-symbolic-comparison-so-slow/?answer=11569#post-id-11569Answer by Harald Schilly for <p>I tried to write a little differentiatior:</p>
<pre><code>from operator import add, mul, pow
def mydiff(s,x=x):
if x not in SR(s).variables():
return 0
elif s == x:
return 1
elif s == log(x):
return 1/x
elif s == sin(x):
return cos(x)
elif s == cos(x):
return -sin(x)
elif s == tan(x):
return 1+tan(x)^2
elif s == arcsin(x):
return 1/sqrt(1-x^2)
elif s == arctan(x):
return 1/(1+x^2)
op = s.operator()
ops = s.operands()
if op == pow and ops[0]==x and ops[1]._is_numeric():
return ops[1]*ops[0]^(ops[1]-1)
elif op == add:
return mydiff(ops[0]) + mydiff(reduce(op,ops[1:]))
elif op == mul:
f = ops[0]; g = reduce(mul,ops[1:])
return g*mydiff(f) + f*mydiff(g)
elif len(ops)==1:
return mydiff(ops[0],x)*mydiff(op(x),x).subs(x=ops[0]))
</code></pre>
<p>one my one year old macbook i need to wait more than 17 second to get the following answer</p>
<pre><code>%time mydiff(sum(k*x^k,k,0,10))
CPU times: user 12.39 s, sys: 0.78 s, total: 13.17 s
Wall time: 17.49 s
100*x^9 + 81*x^8 + 64*x^7 + 49*x^6 + 36*x^5 + 25*x^4 + 16*x^3 + 9*x^2 + 4*x + 1
</code></pre>
<p>why does it _that_ long?</p>
https://ask.sagemath.org/question/7642/why-is-symbolic-comparison-so-slow/?answer=11566#post-id-11566technically, apart from mhamptons comment, there are two problems: (I've just briefly looked at the code and maybe I didn't understand it)
1. your code is recursive and that is not a good idea for python.
1. you rip apart the expression and before each recursion and then you partially rebuild it with reduce. this creates a bunch of calculations for a new expression which you don't need if your differentiator would take a list of operands and a operation directly. Fri, 27 Aug 2010 06:30:41 +0200https://ask.sagemath.org/question/7642/why-is-symbolic-comparison-so-slow/?answer=11566#post-id-11566Answer by mhampton for <p>I tried to write a little differentiatior:</p>
<pre><code>from operator import add, mul, pow
def mydiff(s,x=x):
if x not in SR(s).variables():
return 0
elif s == x:
return 1
elif s == log(x):
return 1/x
elif s == sin(x):
return cos(x)
elif s == cos(x):
return -sin(x)
elif s == tan(x):
return 1+tan(x)^2
elif s == arcsin(x):
return 1/sqrt(1-x^2)
elif s == arctan(x):
return 1/(1+x^2)
op = s.operator()
ops = s.operands()
if op == pow and ops[0]==x and ops[1]._is_numeric():
return ops[1]*ops[0]^(ops[1]-1)
elif op == add:
return mydiff(ops[0]) + mydiff(reduce(op,ops[1:]))
elif op == mul:
f = ops[0]; g = reduce(mul,ops[1:])
return g*mydiff(f) + f*mydiff(g)
elif len(ops)==1:
return mydiff(ops[0],x)*mydiff(op(x),x).subs(x=ops[0]))
</code></pre>
<p>one my one year old macbook i need to wait more than 17 second to get the following answer</p>
<pre><code>%time mydiff(sum(k*x^k,k,0,10))
CPU times: user 12.39 s, sys: 0.78 s, total: 13.17 s
Wall time: 17.49 s
100*x^9 + 81*x^8 + 64*x^7 + 49*x^6 + 36*x^5 + 25*x^4 + 16*x^3 + 9*x^2 + 4*x + 1
</code></pre>
<p>why does it _that_ long?</p>
https://ask.sagemath.org/question/7642/why-is-symbolic-comparison-so-slow/?answer=11565#post-id-11565Because pure python is slow. No offense but why would you want to do this? Symbolic calculations are usually done with pynac (C++ wrapped into Sage) or Maxima (40 year old optimized Lisp wrapped into Sage). If you want something about symbolic differentiation improved you should contribute to those projects.
What do you need that isn't already there? For your example on my computer:
var('x,k')
time diff(sum(k*x^k,k,0,10),x)
gives
100*x^9 + 81*x^8 + 64*x^7 + 49*x^6 + 36*x^5 + 25*x^4 + 16*x^3 + 9*x^2 + 4*x + 1
Time: CPU 0.02 s, Wall: 0.04 sThu, 26 Aug 2010 23:51:20 +0200https://ask.sagemath.org/question/7642/why-is-symbolic-comparison-so-slow/?answer=11565#post-id-11565Answer by burcin for <p>I tried to write a little differentiatior:</p>
<pre><code>from operator import add, mul, pow
def mydiff(s,x=x):
if x not in SR(s).variables():
return 0
elif s == x:
return 1
elif s == log(x):
return 1/x
elif s == sin(x):
return cos(x)
elif s == cos(x):
return -sin(x)
elif s == tan(x):
return 1+tan(x)^2
elif s == arcsin(x):
return 1/sqrt(1-x^2)
elif s == arctan(x):
return 1/(1+x^2)
op = s.operator()
ops = s.operands()
if op == pow and ops[0]==x and ops[1]._is_numeric():
return ops[1]*ops[0]^(ops[1]-1)
elif op == add:
return mydiff(ops[0]) + mydiff(reduce(op,ops[1:]))
elif op == mul:
f = ops[0]; g = reduce(mul,ops[1:])
return g*mydiff(f) + f*mydiff(g)
elif len(ops)==1:
return mydiff(ops[0],x)*mydiff(op(x),x).subs(x=ops[0]))
</code></pre>
<p>one my one year old macbook i need to wait more than 17 second to get the following answer</p>
<pre><code>%time mydiff(sum(k*x^k,k,0,10))
CPU times: user 12.39 s, sys: 0.78 s, total: 13.17 s
Wall time: 17.49 s
100*x^9 + 81*x^8 + 64*x^7 + 49*x^6 + 36*x^5 + 25*x^4 + 16*x^3 + 9*x^2 + 4*x + 1
</code></pre>
<p>why does it _that_ long?</p>
https://ask.sagemath.org/question/7642/why-is-symbolic-comparison-so-slow/?answer=11576#post-id-11576This is more like a comment to Mike's answer, but it's rather long and I don't see how to add code to comments, so I'll put it here.
A workaround to check if an expression is trivially equal to another is to use `match()`.
sage: tan(x).match(tan(x)) is not None
True
sage: tan(x).match(log(x)) is not None
False
This is very fast:
sage: sage: %timeit bool(sin(x) == sin(x))
625 loops, best of 3: 19.8 µs per loop
sage: sage: %timeit bool(sin(x) == log(x))
5 loops, best of 3: 639 ms per loop
sage: sage: %timeit bool(sin(x).match(log(x)) is not None)
625 loops, best of 3: 8.3 µs per loop
sage: sage: %timeit bool(sin(x).match(sin(x)) is not None)
625 loops, best of 3: 10.9 µs per loop
Here is the `mydiff()` function using this hack (and removing the `reduce()` call for sums):
from operator import add, mul, pow
def mydiff2(s,x=x):
if not s.has(x):
return 0
op = s.operator()
ops = s.operands()
if s.match(x) is not None:
return 1
elif op is log and ops[0].match(x) is not None:
return 1/x
elif op is sin and ops[0].match(x) is not None:
return cos(x)
elif op is cos and ops[0].match(x) is not None:
return -sin(x)
elif op is tan and ops[0].match(x) is not None:
return 1+tan(x)**2
elif op is arcsin and ops[0].match(x) is not None:
return 1/sqrt(1-x**2)
elif op is arctan and ops[0].match(x) is not None:
return 1/(1+x**2)
elif op is pow and (ops[0].match(x) is not None) and ops[1]._is_numeric():
return ops[1]*ops[0]**(ops[1]-1)
elif op is add:
return sum(map(mydiff2, ops))
elif op is mul:
f = ops[0]; g = reduce(mul,ops[1:])
return g*mydiff2(f) + f*mydiff2(g)
Now I get:
sage: var('k')
k
sage: inp = sum(k*x^k,k,0,10)
sage: inp
10*x^10 + 9*x^9 + 8*x^8 + 7*x^7 + 6*x^6 + 5*x^5 + 4*x^4 + 3*x^3 + 2*x^2 + x
sage: load ../symbolic_eq2.py
sage: %time res2 = mydiff2(inp)
CPU times: user 0.00 s, sys: 0.00 s, total: 0.00 s
Wall time: 0.00 s
sage: res2
100*x^9 + 81*x^8 + 64*x^7 + 49*x^6 + 36*x^5 + 25*x^4 + 16*x^3 + 9*x^2 + 4*x + 1
Note that speeding up symbolic comparison is [#6799][1] on trac.
[1]: http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/6799Sat, 28 Aug 2010 07:21:39 +0200https://ask.sagemath.org/question/7642/why-is-symbolic-comparison-so-slow/?answer=11576#post-id-11576Answer by Philipp Schneider for <p>I tried to write a little differentiatior:</p>
<pre><code>from operator import add, mul, pow
def mydiff(s,x=x):
if x not in SR(s).variables():
return 0
elif s == x:
return 1
elif s == log(x):
return 1/x
elif s == sin(x):
return cos(x)
elif s == cos(x):
return -sin(x)
elif s == tan(x):
return 1+tan(x)^2
elif s == arcsin(x):
return 1/sqrt(1-x^2)
elif s == arctan(x):
return 1/(1+x^2)
op = s.operator()
ops = s.operands()
if op == pow and ops[0]==x and ops[1]._is_numeric():
return ops[1]*ops[0]^(ops[1]-1)
elif op == add:
return mydiff(ops[0]) + mydiff(reduce(op,ops[1:]))
elif op == mul:
f = ops[0]; g = reduce(mul,ops[1:])
return g*mydiff(f) + f*mydiff(g)
elif len(ops)==1:
return mydiff(ops[0],x)*mydiff(op(x),x).subs(x=ops[0]))
</code></pre>
<p>one my one year old macbook i need to wait more than 17 second to get the following answer</p>
<pre><code>%time mydiff(sum(k*x^k,k,0,10))
CPU times: user 12.39 s, sys: 0.78 s, total: 13.17 s
Wall time: 17.49 s
100*x^9 + 81*x^8 + 64*x^7 + 49*x^6 + 36*x^5 + 25*x^4 + 16*x^3 + 9*x^2 + 4*x + 1
</code></pre>
<p>why does it _that_ long?</p>
https://ask.sagemath.org/question/7642/why-is-symbolic-comparison-so-slow/?answer=11567#post-id-11567@mhampton i don't wont to write the next best differentiator in the world. I'm just trying to give an example on how to program with symbolic expressions in sage.
@harald
sorry, i should change the line
return mydiff(ops[0]) + mydiff(reduce(op,ops[1:]))
into
return sum(map(mydiff,ops))
then no ripping apart and reconstruction occurs. (I was trying to mimic pattern matching.)
Still, this doesn't help much. Does anybody know how Sage tests equality of symbolic expressions? Does it try to simplify those each time before it compares them?Fri, 27 Aug 2010 10:27:25 +0200https://ask.sagemath.org/question/7642/why-is-symbolic-comparison-so-slow/?answer=11567#post-id-11567Answer by Mike Hansen for <p>I tried to write a little differentiatior:</p>
<pre><code>from operator import add, mul, pow
def mydiff(s,x=x):
if x not in SR(s).variables():
return 0
elif s == x:
return 1
elif s == log(x):
return 1/x
elif s == sin(x):
return cos(x)
elif s == cos(x):
return -sin(x)
elif s == tan(x):
return 1+tan(x)^2
elif s == arcsin(x):
return 1/sqrt(1-x^2)
elif s == arctan(x):
return 1/(1+x^2)
op = s.operator()
ops = s.operands()
if op == pow and ops[0]==x and ops[1]._is_numeric():
return ops[1]*ops[0]^(ops[1]-1)
elif op == add:
return mydiff(ops[0]) + mydiff(reduce(op,ops[1:]))
elif op == mul:
f = ops[0]; g = reduce(mul,ops[1:])
return g*mydiff(f) + f*mydiff(g)
elif len(ops)==1:
return mydiff(ops[0],x)*mydiff(op(x),x).subs(x=ops[0]))
</code></pre>
<p>one my one year old macbook i need to wait more than 17 second to get the following answer</p>
<pre><code>%time mydiff(sum(k*x^k,k,0,10))
CPU times: user 12.39 s, sys: 0.78 s, total: 13.17 s
Wall time: 17.49 s
100*x^9 + 81*x^8 + 64*x^7 + 49*x^6 + 36*x^5 + 25*x^4 + 16*x^3 + 9*x^2 + 4*x + 1
</code></pre>
<p>why does it _that_ long?</p>
https://ask.sagemath.org/question/7642/why-is-symbolic-comparison-so-slow/?answer=11572#post-id-11572The previous answers (with the exception of Nils Bruin's) are incorrect in their assessment of the problem -- the slowdown is indeed coming from trying to decide whether "x == tan(x)" is True or False. In particular, the slowdown comes a lot from our overhead in talking to Maxima. Sage performs the following things when trying to test whether an equation is zero or not.
1. Check to see if both sides are constants. If they are, compare the constants.
2. Ask GiNaC / Pynac to see if the expressions are structurally equal (i.e., they have are the same expression trees.) If they are, then we can immediately say things are equal.
3. Check to make sure that there are no assumptions on any of the variables. If there are, then we have to immediately send things to Maxima.
4. If there are no assumptions, then we can try evaluating at a number of points to try to verify that they are provably different using interval arithmetic. This is done in the `test_relation` method of `Expression` objects.
5. If that doesn't work, we send it to Maxima. Since the Maxima output gives `False` if they are not equal as well as if it can't prove they are equal, we can only rely on a `True` answer from Maxima. Thus, a number of simplifications are done to try to "prove" equality. This is all done in `sage.symbolic.relation.test_relation_maxima`
6. If all of the above things don't work, then we have to return False.
There are a number of areas for improvement:
1. Most importantly there are quite a few cases in which the `test_relation` method fails. For example, there some code to check to see if using `CIF` for the values isn't working and if so switch over to RIF. However, that code is broken. Fixing that would allow something like
sage: eq = x == tan(x)
sage: eq.test_relation()
False
instead of giving `NotImplemented` like it does now.
2. We can add a `syntactically_equal` method which just exposes, GiNaC's `relational_to_bool` test. If we just do that and modify `mydiff` appropriately, then we get
sage: k = var('k')
sage: s = sum(k*x^k,k,0,10)
sage: %time mydiff(s, x)
CPU times: user 0.02 s, sys: 0.00 s, total: 0.02 s
Wall time: 0.02 s
100*x^9 + 81*x^8 + 64*x^7 + 49*x^6 + 36*x^5 + 25*x^4 + 16*x^3 + 9*x^2 + 4*x + 1
I will make tickets for these and add the links to them here.
Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:02:00 +0200https://ask.sagemath.org/question/7642/why-is-symbolic-comparison-so-slow/?answer=11572#post-id-11572Comment by Philipp Schneider for <p>The previous answers (with the exception of Nils Bruin's) are incorrect in their assessment of the problem -- the slowdown is indeed coming from trying to decide whether "x == tan(x)" is True or False. In particular, the slowdown comes a lot from our overhead in talking to Maxima. Sage performs the following things when trying to test whether an equation is zero or not.</p>
<ol>
<li><p>Check to see if both sides are constants. If they are, compare the constants.</p></li>
<li><p>Ask GiNaC / Pynac to see if the expressions are structurally equal (i.e., they have are the same expression trees.) If they are, then we can immediately say things are equal.</p></li>
<li><p>Check to make sure that there are no assumptions on any of the variables. If there are, then we have to immediately send things to Maxima.</p></li>
<li><p>If there are no assumptions, then we can try evaluating at a number of points to try to verify that they are provably different using interval arithmetic. This is done in the <code>test_relation</code> method of <code>Expression</code> objects.</p></li>
<li><p>If that doesn't work, we send it to Maxima. Since the Maxima output gives <code>False</code> if they are not equal as well as if it can't prove they are equal, we can only rely on a <code>True</code> answer from Maxima. Thus, a number of simplifications are done to try to "prove" equality. This is all done in <code>sage.symbolic.relation.test_relation_maxima</code></p></li>
<li><p>If all of the above things don't work, then we have to return False.</p></li>
</ol>
<p>There are a number of areas for improvement: </p>
<ol>
<li><p>Most importantly there are quite a few cases in which the <code>test_relation</code> method fails. For example, there some code to check to see if using <code>CIF</code> for the values isn't working and if so switch over to RIF. However, that code is broken. Fixing that would allow something like </p>
<pre><code>sage: eq = x == tan(x)
sage: eq.test_relation()
False
</code></pre>
<p>instead of giving <code>NotImplemented</code> like it does now.</p></li>
<li><p>We can add a <code>syntactically_equal</code> method which just exposes, GiNaC's <code>relational_to_bool</code> test. If we just do that and modify <code>mydiff</code> appropriately, then we get</p>
<pre><code>sage: k = var('k')
sage: s = sum(k*x^k,k,0,10)
sage: %time mydiff(s, x)
CPU times: user 0.02 s, sys: 0.00 s, total: 0.02 s
Wall time: 0.02 s
100*x^9 + 81*x^8 + 64*x^7 + 49*x^6 + 36*x^5 + 25*x^4 + 16*x^3 + 9*x^2 + 4*x + 1
</code></pre></li>
</ol>
<p>I will make tickets for these and add the links to them here.</p>
https://ask.sagemath.org/question/7642/why-is-symbolic-comparison-so-slow/?comment=22826#post-id-22826thank you!Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:05:17 +0200https://ask.sagemath.org/question/7642/why-is-symbolic-comparison-so-slow/?comment=22826#post-id-22826