ASKSAGE: Sage Q&A Forum - RSS feedhttps://ask.sagemath.org/questions/Q&A Forum for SageenCopyright Sage, 2010. Some rights reserved under creative commons license.Fri, 19 Jan 2018 06:54:04 +0100A non-web based GUI for SAGEhttps://ask.sagemath.org/question/27213/a-non-web-based-gui-for-sage/Is their any GUI for SAGE which is not web-based and close to Mathematica in features?
The current web-based GUI is good and its cross-platform capabilities and being able to serve ovver the network is all good. However, when someone coming from Mathematica background uses this UI, it feels inferior, mainly because it is not so keyboard friendly as Matheamatica. This is one major reason why many Mathematica users are still hesitant on moving to SAGE.
Can someone let me know if there is some other non-web based UI for SAGE or if there is some work in progress in this direction? Sat, 27 Jun 2015 19:03:28 +0200https://ask.sagemath.org/question/27213/a-non-web-based-gui-for-sage/Comment by kcrisman for <p>Is their any GUI for SAGE which is not web-based and close to Mathematica in features? </p>
<p>The current web-based GUI is good and its cross-platform capabilities and being able to serve ovver the network is all good. However, when someone coming from Mathematica background uses this UI, it feels inferior, mainly because it is not so keyboard friendly as Matheamatica. This is one major reason why many Mathematica users are still hesitant on moving to SAGE. </p>
<p>Can someone let me know if there is some other non-web based UI for SAGE or if there is some work in progress in this direction? </p>
https://ask.sagemath.org/question/27213/a-non-web-based-gui-for-sage/?comment=27220#post-id-27220I do not know of any such work.Sun, 28 Jun 2015 05:33:09 +0200https://ask.sagemath.org/question/27213/a-non-web-based-gui-for-sage/?comment=27220#post-id-27220Comment by eric_g for <p>Is their any GUI for SAGE which is not web-based and close to Mathematica in features? </p>
<p>The current web-based GUI is good and its cross-platform capabilities and being able to serve ovver the network is all good. However, when someone coming from Mathematica background uses this UI, it feels inferior, mainly because it is not so keyboard friendly as Matheamatica. This is one major reason why many Mathematica users are still hesitant on moving to SAGE. </p>
<p>Can someone let me know if there is some other non-web based UI for SAGE or if there is some work in progress in this direction? </p>
https://ask.sagemath.org/question/27213/a-non-web-based-gui-for-sage/?comment=27221#post-id-27221Have you tried to run Sage in the ipython notebook (now called [Jupyter notebook](http://jupyter.org)):
sage -n ipython
Regarding keyboard friendship, it has automatic parenthesis completion and colored syntax.Sun, 28 Jun 2015 10:33:29 +0200https://ask.sagemath.org/question/27213/a-non-web-based-gui-for-sage/?comment=27221#post-id-27221Answer by dg.aragones for <p>Is their any GUI for SAGE which is not web-based and close to Mathematica in features? </p>
<p>The current web-based GUI is good and its cross-platform capabilities and being able to serve ovver the network is all good. However, when someone coming from Mathematica background uses this UI, it feels inferior, mainly because it is not so keyboard friendly as Matheamatica. This is one major reason why many Mathematica users are still hesitant on moving to SAGE. </p>
<p>Can someone let me know if there is some other non-web based UI for SAGE or if there is some work in progress in this direction? </p>
https://ask.sagemath.org/question/27213/a-non-web-based-gui-for-sage/?answer=40641#post-id-40641I know about two:
- Spyder is intended for Python use and it's similar to Matlab in appearance. You can take a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spyder_(software) and https://github.com/spyder-ide. I think it could be configured to use Sagemath as a backend, since it's Python-based.
- Cantor is very similar to a Mathematica notebook and it supports Sagemath as a backend. However, it doesn't seem to work properly (at least for me). Check it out in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantor_(software) and https://edu.kde.org/cantor/.
I've posted the following related question: https://ask.sagemath.org/question/40639/configure-a-gui/. If you manage to configure one of them, let us know =).Tue, 16 Jan 2018 15:36:47 +0100https://ask.sagemath.org/question/27213/a-non-web-based-gui-for-sage/?answer=40641#post-id-40641Answer by Emmanuel Charpentier for <p>Is their any GUI for SAGE which is not web-based and close to Mathematica in features? </p>
<p>The current web-based GUI is good and its cross-platform capabilities and being able to serve ovver the network is all good. However, when someone coming from Mathematica background uses this UI, it feels inferior, mainly because it is not so keyboard friendly as Matheamatica. This is one major reason why many Mathematica users are still hesitant on moving to SAGE. </p>
<p>Can someone let me know if there is some other non-web based UI for SAGE or if there is some work in progress in this direction? </p>
https://ask.sagemath.org/question/27213/a-non-web-based-gui-for-sage/?answer=40642#post-id-40642[sage_shell_mode](https://github.com/sagemath/sage-shell-mode) is a very nice Sage mode for Emacs. Using it is a bit different from using a notebook (but it has some notebook-emulating features, which I don't use very often...), and is a very nice way to prepare a text+maths document (thanks to [SageTeX](http://doc.sagemath.org/html/en/tutorial/sagetex.html), among others), which I tend to prefer to notebooks for "serious" (i. e. intended for publication/lecture/meeting/etc...) use. The infinite emacs customizability should be enough even for even the most rabid Mahematica user.
Furthermore, the openness of Sage allows its use in a zillion ways not possible with Mathematica, Which, IMNSHO, is the point...Tue, 16 Jan 2018 16:28:28 +0100https://ask.sagemath.org/question/27213/a-non-web-based-gui-for-sage/?answer=40642#post-id-40642Answer by dan_fulea for <p>Is their any GUI for SAGE which is not web-based and close to Mathematica in features? </p>
<p>The current web-based GUI is good and its cross-platform capabilities and being able to serve ovver the network is all good. However, when someone coming from Mathematica background uses this UI, it feels inferior, mainly because it is not so keyboard friendly as Matheamatica. This is one major reason why many Mathematica users are still hesitant on moving to SAGE. </p>
<p>Can someone let me know if there is some other non-web based UI for SAGE or if there is some work in progress in this direction? </p>
https://ask.sagemath.org/question/27213/a-non-web-based-gui-for-sage/?answer=40660#post-id-40660This may be an answer to a different question, since i never used Mathematica in mathematical research, (and teaching was done with a University licence,) but please allow it.
First of it is not clear from the post what kind of UI (user interface) is meant.
If something like
[https://mathematica.stackexchange.com/questions/54631/mathematica-user-interface-tutorial](https://mathematica.stackexchange.com/questions/54631/mathematica-user-interface-tutorial)
is the UI, then just use notebook, web based.
I also have no idea which keyboard shortcuts make the work friendly in Mathematica. Please add this information, then there will be also more pointed answers.
Personally, i have the following modi of research work in sage, and for any of them there is the right key binding solution.
* Quick code to get a quick answer to a relatively simple question (involving complicated structure, that i have already understood). Then i start a linux terminal, inside of it start sage by typing `sage`, this gives the iron python interpreter with automatical support for classes and methods. For instance, after typing the TAB (tabulator, twice) we get the list of all methods that can be applied on the object `a`,
sage: a = 2018
sage: a.abs<TAB><TAB>
a.abs a.conjugate a.dump
a.additive_order a.coprime_integers a.dumps
a.base_extend a.crt a.euclidean_degree
a.base_ring a.dat a.exact_log
a.binary a.degree a.exp
And there is a direct access to "kernel" information on the used objects:
sage: a.__class__
<type 'sage.rings.integer.Integer'>
Note that `a` is already a complicated object, not a dummy python integer. To get its divisors, we can type `a.di`, then the TAB(s), the list of the methods is
sage: a.di<TAB><TAB>
a.digits a.divides
a.dist a.divisors
a.divide_knowing_divisible_by
we type three more letters and then TAB again, finally the `()`. And here we have them:
sage: a.divisors()
[1, 2, 1009, 2018]
Here, it is very useful to see the names of the methods, a potential student *learning* - say - something about number fields, could type `K.<u> = QuadraticField( 2019 )`, then `K.<TAB>` and see all names of methods related / applicable for this kind of instance. This is already a lot of comfort! Note also that typing
a.divisors?
gives a description of the method, and also examples to get started. Moreover, `a.divisors??` gives the **code**, and many sage users will never switch to Mathematica for this one reason.
Many features of iron python work, e.g. Control+A to get to the beginning of the line, Control+E for its end, Control+R to reverse search, e.g.
sage: a.divisors()
I-search backward: a.
(here i typed Control+R, then `a.`, the last command i had with `a.` appears, enter gets it.) Also, `%cpaste` allows to paste into the interpreter bigger code chunks. (Shift+Insert inserts them. Enter would then further evaluate the lines.)
* The second case is when i am trying
to get some research project work,
for instance writing the matrix of
some element of the
Iwahori-Hecke-algebra acting on some
special Kazhdan-Lusztig cell. Then,
as in the previous answer of
[Emmanuel
Charpentier](https://ask.sagemath.org/users/1336/emmanuel-charpentier/),
i am starting emacs, use pyhton mode,
and get best key bindings i need,
e.g. automatic extension of names,
after binding `dabbrev-expand` to
some key (e.g. `F1`), and a
customized syntax highlight. The code
can then be executed either in an
emacs shell, or loaded in a sage
terminal.
* The third use case has no parallel in Mathematica. This is when i have a bug. Then i start **eclipse** and debug inside the one method that failed. Step by step. I can initialize somewhere in the code some Kazhdan-Lusztig cell and run a unit test against the method that failed. (A new dimension occurs, while finding the error, there may be immediately a need to change / extend the code, yes, one can do it. For herself / himself for the sake of the own project, or sharing the idea with the world. It is the last chance, that made and makes `sage` so strong. Even a typo corrected in an example is a great job to contribute!)
These three "user interfaces" are all i need in sage: the ipyton interpreter with the sage preprocessing, emacs as an editor for a longer work and own design of classes (in an object oriented language), and eclipse (or pycharm) for debug.Wed, 17 Jan 2018 19:36:03 +0100https://ask.sagemath.org/question/27213/a-non-web-based-gui-for-sage/?answer=40660#post-id-40660Answer by slelievre for <p>Is their any GUI for SAGE which is not web-based and close to Mathematica in features? </p>
<p>The current web-based GUI is good and its cross-platform capabilities and being able to serve ovver the network is all good. However, when someone coming from Mathematica background uses this UI, it feels inferior, mainly because it is not so keyboard friendly as Matheamatica. This is one major reason why many Mathematica users are still hesitant on moving to SAGE. </p>
<p>Can someone let me know if there is some other non-web based UI for SAGE or if there is some work in progress in this direction? </p>
https://ask.sagemath.org/question/27213/a-non-web-based-gui-for-sage/?answer=40689#post-id-40689You can also use Sage within **[TeXmacs](http://texmacs.org/)**.
See also the [TeXmacs Sage mode page](https://wiki.sagemath.org/TeXmacs) on the Sage wiki.
Finally, see [Interfaces to Sage from other software](https://wiki.sagemath.org/Interfaces#Interfaces_to_SageMath_in_other_software),
which I guess could be enriched with the answers that were given here.Fri, 19 Jan 2018 06:54:04 +0100https://ask.sagemath.org/question/27213/a-non-web-based-gui-for-sage/?answer=40689#post-id-40689Answer by Sébastien for <p>Is their any GUI for SAGE which is not web-based and close to Mathematica in features? </p>
<p>The current web-based GUI is good and its cross-platform capabilities and being able to serve ovver the network is all good. However, when someone coming from Mathematica background uses this UI, it feels inferior, mainly because it is not so keyboard friendly as Matheamatica. This is one major reason why many Mathematica users are still hesitant on moving to SAGE. </p>
<p>Can someone let me know if there is some other non-web based UI for SAGE or if there is some work in progress in this direction? </p>
https://ask.sagemath.org/question/27213/a-non-web-based-gui-for-sage/?answer=40643#post-id-40643A nice GUI that will take more and more place in the future is jupyterlab. A recent article (Nov, 2017) speaks about it on [medium.com](https://medium.com/@brianray_7981/jupyterlab-first-impressions-e6d70d8a175d).
Installation (edited, thanks to tmonteil comment):
sage -pip install jupyterlab
Usage:
sage -n jupyterlabTue, 16 Jan 2018 20:49:28 +0100https://ask.sagemath.org/question/27213/a-non-web-based-gui-for-sage/?answer=40643#post-id-40643Comment by tmonteil for <p>A nice GUI that will take more and more place in the future is jupyterlab. A recent article (Nov, 2017) speaks about it on <a href="https://medium.com/@brianray_7981/jupyterlab-first-impressions-e6d70d8a175d">medium.com</a>.</p>
<p>Installation (edited, thanks to tmonteil comment):</p>
<pre><code>sage -pip install jupyterlab
</code></pre>
<p>Usage:</p>
<pre><code>sage -n jupyterlab
</code></pre>
https://ask.sagemath.org/question/27213/a-non-web-based-gui-for-sage/?comment=40646#post-id-40646There is no `jupyterlab` package (yet), the install command is:
sage --pip install jupyterlab
Note that it is web-based though.Tue, 16 Jan 2018 21:39:16 +0100https://ask.sagemath.org/question/27213/a-non-web-based-gui-for-sage/?comment=40646#post-id-40646Comment by Simon Willerton for <p>A nice GUI that will take more and more place in the future is jupyterlab. A recent article (Nov, 2017) speaks about it on <a href="https://medium.com/@brianray_7981/jupyterlab-first-impressions-e6d70d8a175d">medium.com</a>.</p>
<p>Installation (edited, thanks to tmonteil comment):</p>
<pre><code>sage -pip install jupyterlab
</code></pre>
<p>Usage:</p>
<pre><code>sage -n jupyterlab
</code></pre>
https://ask.sagemath.org/question/27213/a-non-web-based-gui-for-sage/?comment=40650#post-id-40650Is it possible to install this if I'm running the Mac OS X app version (SageMath 8.0)? There is the problem of pip not working with SSL. I tried downloading jupyterlab and installing from the download path -- as per the instructions at https://ask.sagemath.org/question/38746/sage-pip-not-compatible-with-pypi/?answer=38773#post-id-38773 -- but it seems to have dependencies, such as jupyterlab_launcher which it then can't download.Wed, 17 Jan 2018 11:53:20 +0100https://ask.sagemath.org/question/27213/a-non-web-based-gui-for-sage/?comment=40650#post-id-40650Comment by Sébastien for <p>A nice GUI that will take more and more place in the future is jupyterlab. A recent article (Nov, 2017) speaks about it on <a href="https://medium.com/@brianray_7981/jupyterlab-first-impressions-e6d70d8a175d">medium.com</a>.</p>
<p>Installation (edited, thanks to tmonteil comment):</p>
<pre><code>sage -pip install jupyterlab
</code></pre>
<p>Usage:</p>
<pre><code>sage -n jupyterlab
</code></pre>
https://ask.sagemath.org/question/27213/a-non-web-based-gui-for-sage/?comment=40653#post-id-40653I definitely was able to use jupyter_lab with my mac last summer. But my mac died during Fall, so I can't test anything anymore to help. My guess would be that the easiest for your would be to make `sage -pip` work by fixing the SSL problem maybe by doing `sage -f openssl` ?Wed, 17 Jan 2018 14:44:52 +0100https://ask.sagemath.org/question/27213/a-non-web-based-gui-for-sage/?comment=40653#post-id-40653Comment by tmonteil for <p>A nice GUI that will take more and more place in the future is jupyterlab. A recent article (Nov, 2017) speaks about it on <a href="https://medium.com/@brianray_7981/jupyterlab-first-impressions-e6d70d8a175d">medium.com</a>.</p>
<p>Installation (edited, thanks to tmonteil comment):</p>
<pre><code>sage -pip install jupyterlab
</code></pre>
<p>Usage:</p>
<pre><code>sage -n jupyterlab
</code></pre>
https://ask.sagemath.org/question/27213/a-non-web-based-gui-for-sage/?comment=40656#post-id-40656Note that if you install openssl via Sage, you have to recompile python2 and pip, so that they can use it:
sage -f python2
sage -f pip
and probably (from Sage tree):
make buildWed, 17 Jan 2018 16:13:50 +0100https://ask.sagemath.org/question/27213/a-non-web-based-gui-for-sage/?comment=40656#post-id-40656Comment by Simon Willerton for <p>A nice GUI that will take more and more place in the future is jupyterlab. A recent article (Nov, 2017) speaks about it on <a href="https://medium.com/@brianray_7981/jupyterlab-first-impressions-e6d70d8a175d">medium.com</a>.</p>
<p>Installation (edited, thanks to tmonteil comment):</p>
<pre><code>sage -pip install jupyterlab
</code></pre>
<p>Usage:</p>
<pre><code>sage -n jupyterlab
</code></pre>
https://ask.sagemath.org/question/27213/a-non-web-based-gui-for-sage/?comment=40663#post-id-40663Thanks, that worked! I did `sage -f` on `openssl`, `python2` and `pip`. I didn't do the make build. (Although I had to temporarily move `/opt/local` as sage complained about "found MacPorts in /opt/local/bin/port".) Then jupyterlab installed fine.Wed, 17 Jan 2018 21:49:21 +0100https://ask.sagemath.org/question/27213/a-non-web-based-gui-for-sage/?comment=40663#post-id-40663Comment by Simon Willerton for <p>A nice GUI that will take more and more place in the future is jupyterlab. A recent article (Nov, 2017) speaks about it on <a href="https://medium.com/@brianray_7981/jupyterlab-first-impressions-e6d70d8a175d">medium.com</a>.</p>
<p>Installation (edited, thanks to tmonteil comment):</p>
<pre><code>sage -pip install jupyterlab
</code></pre>
<p>Usage:</p>
<pre><code>sage -n jupyterlab
</code></pre>
https://ask.sagemath.org/question/27213/a-non-web-based-gui-for-sage/?comment=40664#post-id-40664@tmonteil You say jupyterlab is "web-based": do you mean **browser**-based?Wed, 17 Jan 2018 21:52:23 +0100https://ask.sagemath.org/question/27213/a-non-web-based-gui-for-sage/?comment=40664#post-id-40664