ASKSAGE: Sage Q&A Forum - RSS feedhttps://ask.sagemath.org/questions/Q&A Forum for SageenCopyright Sage, 2010. Some rights reserved under creative commons license.Sat, 23 Nov 2013 05:57:27 +0100Set the precision of imported methodshttps://ask.sagemath.org/question/10760/set-the-precision-of-imported-methods/How to set the precision of "numpy" methods?
e.g., for calculating the singular values of a matrix using numpy methods
sage: R = RealField(100)
sage: R
Real Field with 100 bits of precision
sage: A = matrix(R ,2,2, [1.746, 0.940, 1.246, 1.898])
sage: A
[ 1.7460000000000000000000000000 0.94000000000000000000000000000]
[ 1.2460000000000000000000000000 1.8980000000000000000000000000]
sage: A.parent()
Full MatrixSpace of 2 by 2 dense matrices over Real Field
with 100 bits of precision
sage: A = np.array(A) # the precision (100 bits) does not preserve in "numpy"
sage: U,sig,V = numpy.linalg.svd(A)
sage: sig
array([ 1.08490731e+06, 1.97535694e+00])
# the precision (100 bits) does not preserve in "numpy", hey only 8 digits here
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[NumPy Data types](http://docs.scipy.org/doc/numpy/user/basics.types.html)
> sage: np.array([1, 2, 3], dtype='f')
> array([ 1., 2., 3.], dtype=float32)
That's a choice. However, I'd like some more convenient method like "numpy.set_digits(100)"...
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Thanks in advance!
Thu, 21 Nov 2013 11:01:49 +0100https://ask.sagemath.org/question/10760/set-the-precision-of-imported-methods/Answer by tmonteil for <p>How to set the precision of "numpy" methods? </p>
<p>e.g., for calculating the singular values of a matrix using numpy methods</p>
<pre><code>sage: R = RealField(100)
sage: R
Real Field with 100 bits of precision
sage: A = matrix(R ,2,2, [1.746, 0.940, 1.246, 1.898])
sage: A
[ 1.7460000000000000000000000000 0.94000000000000000000000000000]
[ 1.2460000000000000000000000000 1.8980000000000000000000000000]
sage: A.parent()
Full MatrixSpace of 2 by 2 dense matrices over Real Field
with 100 bits of precision
sage: A = np.array(A) # the precision (100 bits) does not preserve in "numpy"
sage: U,sig,V = numpy.linalg.svd(A)
sage: sig
array([ 1.08490731e+06, 1.97535694e+00])
# the precision (100 bits) does not preserve in "numpy", hey only 8 digits here
</code></pre>
<hr/>
<p><a href="http://docs.scipy.org/doc/numpy/user/basics.types.html">NumPy Data types</a></p>
<blockquote>
<p>sage: np.array([1, 2, 3], dtype='f')</p>
<p>array([ 1., 2., 3.], dtype=float32)</p>
</blockquote>
<p>That's a choice. However, I'd like some more convenient method like "numpy.set_digits(100)"... </p>
<hr/>
<p>Thanks in advance!</p>
https://ask.sagemath.org/question/10760/set-the-precision-of-imported-methods/?answer=15719#post-id-15719You can preserve the precision of your matrix while transferring it to numpy as follows:
sage: R = RealField(100)
sage: A = matrix(R ,2,2, [1.746, 0.940, 1.246, 1.898])
sage: import numpy as np
sage: a = np.array(A, dtype=object)
sage: a
array([[1.7460000000000000000000000000, 0.94000000000000000000000000000],
[1.2460000000000000000000000000, 1.8980000000000000000000000000]], dtype=object)
sage: a[0]
array([1.7460000000000000000000000000, 0.94000000000000000000000000000], dtype=object)
sage: a[0][0]
1.7460000000000000000000000000
sage: a[0][0].parent()
Real Field with 100 bits of precision
Unfortunately, this will not solve your second problem:
sage: from scipy import linalg
sage: b = linalg.svd(a) ; b
(array([[-0.65092234, -0.75914432],
[-0.75914432, 0.65092234]]),
array([ 2.92405178, 0.73277362]),
array([[-0.71216394, -0.70201319],
[-0.70201319, 0.71216394]]))
sage: b[0][0][0]
-0.65092234401411786
sage: type(b[0][0][0])
<type 'numpy.float64'>
As you can see, the svd operation took your entries back to double precision floating point numbers. If you type:
sage: linalg.svd??
You will see that scipy uses lapack to solve the singular value decomposition, and the lapack library only work with simple or double precision floating-point numbers, not mpfr (arbitrary precision) numbers. For the same reason, Sage offers a `SVD` method for matrices over `RDF` and not over `RR`.
What may be hard to understand is why there is no generic method for doing that in any precision. Actually, it is not so easy since there are a lot of numerical stability issues when doing linear algebra over floating-point numbers, this is why Sage and scipy currently relies on a specialized library.
Fri, 22 Nov 2013 16:48:21 +0100https://ask.sagemath.org/question/10760/set-the-precision-of-imported-methods/?answer=15719#post-id-15719Comment by gundamlh for <p>You can preserve the precision of your matrix while transferring it to numpy as follows:</p>
<pre><code>sage: R = RealField(100)
sage: A = matrix(R ,2,2, [1.746, 0.940, 1.246, 1.898])
sage: import numpy as np
sage: a = np.array(A, dtype=object)
sage: a
array([[1.7460000000000000000000000000, 0.94000000000000000000000000000],
[1.2460000000000000000000000000, 1.8980000000000000000000000000]], dtype=object)
sage: a[0]
array([1.7460000000000000000000000000, 0.94000000000000000000000000000], dtype=object)
sage: a[0][0]
1.7460000000000000000000000000
sage: a[0][0].parent()
Real Field with 100 bits of precision
</code></pre>
<p>Unfortunately, this will not solve your second problem:</p>
<pre><code>sage: from scipy import linalg
sage: b = linalg.svd(a) ; b
(array([[-0.65092234, -0.75914432],
[-0.75914432, 0.65092234]]),
array([ 2.92405178, 0.73277362]),
array([[-0.71216394, -0.70201319],
[-0.70201319, 0.71216394]]))
sage: b[0][0][0]
-0.65092234401411786
sage: type(b[0][0][0])
<type 'numpy.float64'>
</code></pre>
<p>As you can see, the svd operation took your entries back to double precision floating point numbers. If you type:</p>
<pre><code>sage: linalg.svd??
</code></pre>
<p>You will see that scipy uses lapack to solve the singular value decomposition, and the lapack library only work with simple or double precision floating-point numbers, not mpfr (arbitrary precision) numbers. For the same reason, Sage offers a <code>SVD</code> method for matrices over <code>RDF</code> and not over <code>RR</code>.</p>
<p>What may be hard to understand is why there is no generic method for doing that in any precision. Actually, it is not so easy since there are a lot of numerical stability issues when doing linear algebra over floating-point numbers, this is why Sage and scipy currently relies on a specialized library.</p>
https://ask.sagemath.org/question/10760/set-the-precision-of-imported-methods/?comment=16654#post-id-16654Thanks! > it is not so easy since there are a lot of numerical stability issues when doing linear algebra over floating-point numbers< I will start reading the book "matrix computation". Have you read any books by G. W. Stewart?Sat, 23 Nov 2013 05:30:49 +0100https://ask.sagemath.org/question/10760/set-the-precision-of-imported-methods/?comment=16654#post-id-16654Comment by tmonteil for <p>You can preserve the precision of your matrix while transferring it to numpy as follows:</p>
<pre><code>sage: R = RealField(100)
sage: A = matrix(R ,2,2, [1.746, 0.940, 1.246, 1.898])
sage: import numpy as np
sage: a = np.array(A, dtype=object)
sage: a
array([[1.7460000000000000000000000000, 0.94000000000000000000000000000],
[1.2460000000000000000000000000, 1.8980000000000000000000000000]], dtype=object)
sage: a[0]
array([1.7460000000000000000000000000, 0.94000000000000000000000000000], dtype=object)
sage: a[0][0]
1.7460000000000000000000000000
sage: a[0][0].parent()
Real Field with 100 bits of precision
</code></pre>
<p>Unfortunately, this will not solve your second problem:</p>
<pre><code>sage: from scipy import linalg
sage: b = linalg.svd(a) ; b
(array([[-0.65092234, -0.75914432],
[-0.75914432, 0.65092234]]),
array([ 2.92405178, 0.73277362]),
array([[-0.71216394, -0.70201319],
[-0.70201319, 0.71216394]]))
sage: b[0][0][0]
-0.65092234401411786
sage: type(b[0][0][0])
<type 'numpy.float64'>
</code></pre>
<p>As you can see, the svd operation took your entries back to double precision floating point numbers. If you type:</p>
<pre><code>sage: linalg.svd??
</code></pre>
<p>You will see that scipy uses lapack to solve the singular value decomposition, and the lapack library only work with simple or double precision floating-point numbers, not mpfr (arbitrary precision) numbers. For the same reason, Sage offers a <code>SVD</code> method for matrices over <code>RDF</code> and not over <code>RR</code>.</p>
<p>What may be hard to understand is why there is no generic method for doing that in any precision. Actually, it is not so easy since there are a lot of numerical stability issues when doing linear algebra over floating-point numbers, this is why Sage and scipy currently relies on a specialized library.</p>
https://ask.sagemath.org/question/10760/set-the-precision-of-imported-methods/?comment=16652#post-id-16652No i didn't, i will have a look, thanks for the reference. In general, naive implementations of the algorithms you learned in math may be sensituve to numerical stability (e.g. the unstability of the Gauss elimination depends on the conditionning of the matrix).Sat, 23 Nov 2013 05:57:27 +0100https://ask.sagemath.org/question/10760/set-the-precision-of-imported-methods/?comment=16652#post-id-16652